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    Default Wanted- diesel 505 bellhousing

    Diesel 505 bellhousing to mate with 5 speed BA7/5 gearbox needed - so I can fit the BA7/5 gearbox I have to my 504 diesel! Somebody must have a spare gearbox for their 5 speed 505 diesel, who won't need the second bellhousing... Happy to pay $100 plus freight to Canberra. Or I have 505 spares to swap. Email me or phone 02 6230 3252 or 0403 858 248 - Chris

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    Chris

    You are looking for a very rare Peugeot part. Diesel engine to BA7/5 bellhousings were only used on 504 diesel pickups.
    I have a spare if you are interested.

    Owen Wuillemin

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    Quote Originally Posted by acreid
    Diesel 505 bellhousing to mate with 5 speed BA7/5 gearbox needed - so I can fit the BA7/5 gearbox I have to my 504 diesel! Somebody must have a spare gearbox for their 5 speed 505 diesel, who won't need the second bellhousing... Happy to pay $100 plus freight to Canberra. Or I have 505 spares to swap. Email me or phone 02 6230 3252 or 0403 858 248 - Chris

    i think you will have more chance finding a housing for a BA10 for a diesel
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    Don't you also need the input shaft??

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    Just rang Chris about this... it's actually a BA10/5 he has. So the bellhousing he needs is a BA10 diesel bellhousing.

    Any out there?

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    you could use a petrol BA10 housing with an adaptor plate but from memory the diesel housing has a fault line in it so in an accident it actually cracks in 1/2 to allow the engine to fall under the car as a safety feature

    i know when we were trying to fit an XD90 504 engine into a 404 it was a hard task finding a housing to bolt the BA7 up to it as any 504 wreck we came across all had cracked bell housings
    the difference between the two is the petrol engine sits at 45 and the diesel sits at 22.5 or there abouts

    we did bolt up a petrol housing to the engine and sat it at 45 but the car also sat down on one side due to the weight of the engine (typically soft 404 springs)
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    I know that there must be busted boxes around... someone will have a bellhousing somewhere.

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    I know Ray is going to disagree with this but,


    I am fairly sure the input shaft is not the same on the petrol and diesel box. I know this because our local french car mechanic had one apart quite recently and told me that was the case!

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    Unless the gear is different, I don't think so...

    I'm pretty sure we compared them the other day at Owen Wuillemin's place. That is, lined them up side by side.

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    Is the BA10/4 bellhousing different to the BA10/5 ? The input shaft of the 10/4 has a thicker spline on the diesel box and clutch plates are not interchangeable although the petrol clutch will sloppily fit the diesel. I have a BA10/4 bellhousing from a 79 diesel but I suppose Acreid would have this item anyway if they are the same.

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    Are you sure it's a 10/4? To check, measure the length of the main gearbox housing, the bit between the bellhousing and the extension housing/s.

    If so, how many bolts hold it onto the gearbox housing? I think there is a change along the way there... six bolts, seven bolts or whatever.

    I think the turbodiesel has a different clutch spline, probably the same as the 604 spline... but don't quote me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob D
    Is the BA10/4 bellhousing different to the BA10/5 ? The input shaft of the 10/4 has a thicker spline on the diesel box and clutch plates are not interchangeable although the petrol clutch will sloppily fit the diesel. I have a BA10/4 bellhousing from a 79 diesel but I suppose Acreid would have this item anyway if they are the same.
    504 diesels had BA7/4s but with different splines.
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    i think the nose on the input shafts between the diesel and the petrol BA10's are different as well

    one is slightly longer than the other

    from memory i think the petrol one is the longer of the two which only means trimming then end of it to fit
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    Quote Originally Posted by pugrambo
    i think the nose on the input shafts between the diesel and the petrol BA10's are different as well

    one is slightly longer than the other

    from memory i think the petrol one is the longer of the two which only means trimming then end of it to fit
    One day I will work out all of the different splines for RWD gearboxes.
    Ba7/4 petrol and diesel are different.
    BA10/4 V6 is different to 505 BA10/5 V6 and turbopetrol but the same as 604 BA10/5 V6.
    I believe that the early turbo diesel (before 1982) is the same as 604.
    The 505 GTI/STI is the same as the XN versions.
    Is the late turbo diesel the same as the 505 V6?
    The 604 plates are not available but I got around the problem quite well by using a Land Rover/ Jaguar plate, just a slight amount of play! This teams well with the 6 cylinder Falcon pressure plate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pugrambo
    i think the nose on the input shafts between the diesel and the petrol BA10's are different as well

    one is slightly longer than the other

    from memory i think the petrol one is the longer of the two which only means trimming then end of it to fit
    No the diesel one is a tiny fraction longer.

    My father converted his 504 diesel to a petrol motor and he had to grind a tiny fraction of the input shaft using an angle grinder, to stop the gearbox from turning slowly when the clutch was disengaged.

    The petrol clutch fitted the diesel input shaft with a bit of play, but I understand you can't go the other way (diesel clutch won't fit on petrol input shaft).

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    Ray, I guess I dont have a BA10 bellhousing from the above posts. It has 6 bolts and is 435mm long.

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    What car is it from?

    435mm wouldn't be only the main housing. The measurement we need is the section that's bolted to the bellhousing and splits longitudinally... the main housing only. It will be somewhere about 250mm.

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