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    Hi all,

    I'm looking for an engine mounting plate (block to transaxle) as illustrated for my R10 1300 motor. I understand that the 1300 block probably has the same boss for bolting on the plate as an R12, although maybe a late R10 is the same.

    I do know they are not all the same, as my R10 block in the R8 doesn't match the old R8 plate for both holes.

    Advice and/or plate most welcome and illustration attached.

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    The R12 reinforcing plates are different from the R10.
    There are also different types in the R12.
    The bolt holes should line up though, although I haven't seen a R10.
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    Quote Originally Posted by REN TIN TIN View Post
    The R12 reinforcing plates are different from the R10.
    There are also different types in the R12.
    The bolt holes should line up though, although I haven't seen a R10.
    Ah. I'd better get to a late R10 and measure up the block relative to the one sitting in my garage. Thanks for that.
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    What are you up to John? Do I sense a power increase on the horizon for the red rocket?
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    Quote Originally Posted by J-man View Post
    What are you up to John? Do I sense a power increase on the horizon for the red rocket?
    Not sure really. But the R8 engine was rebuilt by me in 1988 as 1100 cc in an R10 block with a 10S head and hasn't missed a beat since. So, it hits 30 years old soon and we all know where they fail in the end - the top rings..... So, a probably low km R10 1300 engine with an overhauled head seemed worth acquiring, as did a new sleeve kit for it a few weeks back. It comes with a twin choke Weber, meaning a manual choke to think about too. I guess I could jet an R16TS item appropriately and keep that auto choke function.

    It has a 170 mm clutch too, so needs the later type clutch thrust and the gearbox end plate with the projecting tube unless I see whether I can fit a smaller flywheel (might be easier come to think of it).

    Right now I'm getting the ducks lined up. Just playing a bit so far. No rush.

    I do have a 956 sleeve kit in the cupboard too, but that isn't looking like my smartest purchase right now.

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    Sounds like a plan to me John
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    John,
    Ren.T.T. is correct. R12 and R10, 1300 plates are not the same.

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    Thanks Henry.

    Do you happen to know whether R10 1300 is the same as R10 1100 then?

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    John,
    Not sure, but would expect them to be the same. I would like to add that I have owned and driven R10s many times, without the afore-mentioned plates, with no problems. Even Frans, with his high power G motor and sticky tyres does not find these plates necessary. If you want to do the engine swap and don't have the plates, you could go ahead and then fit them at a later, if still considered desirable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rubyalpine View Post
    John,
    Not sure, but would expect them to be the same. I would like to add that I have owned and driven R10s many times, without the afore-mentioned plates, with no problems. Even Frans, with his high power G motor and sticky tyres does not find these plates necessary. If you want to do the engine swap and don't have the plates, you could go ahead and then fit them at a later, if still considered desirable.

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    Yes, I agree with that Henry. I'd prefer them on for completeness - I'll have much less than half Frans' engine power, not to mention a slightly different driving style from the track work!! Thanks for the comments.
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    Here are photos of said engine plates as fitted to a 1.4 motor in an R10 and now going into an R8.

    Anyone have a pair?

    Cheers
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    The LHS on the above pics looks the same as the diagram RTT posted but the RHS does look a bit different (even when you view the picture the right way up). The gloss on those is quite exceptional for a spray can!
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    Right way up might have been a good idea on my part!! Great gloss, I agree.

    Now, does anyone have a pair please?

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    Have you tried Schlitzaugen, he's been known to have R12 bits and he's local.
    The NS one on my R12 looks different, it doesn't curve and is flat.
    Also, on the R12 the engine mounts are bolted through the plate.

    I'll have a look on the shed.
    I don't recall seeing any recently but there might be a set lurking about.

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    Many thanks for both offer and suggestion RTT. At least I seem to know what the plates look like now.
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    JW, I had a set of plates which I recently gave away to another Frogger, so a bit late for you and I have no more left.

    I did go to the trouble of measuring them though but I think these were for an 1100cc therefore slightly different to R12, but you get the gist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 59 Floride View Post
    JW, I had a set of plates which I recently gave away to another Frogger, so a bit late for you and I have no more left. I did go to the trouble of measuring them though bit I think these were for an 1100cc therefore slightly different to R12, but you get the gist.
    Great, thank you for those illustrations. They look like the ones on my car, superficially, and don't match the lugs on the 802 Sierra engine I have on the floor.

    All good progress. Who'd have thought these things would change for different versions of the Sierra motor!
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    Sorry, John. My R12 bits have been sold off or given away save a handful, which I am not sure what to do with.

    No such plates though, and would be hard pressed to remember if my car had those in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schlitzaugen View Post
    Sorry, John. My R12 bits have been sold off or given away save a handful, which I am not sure what to do with. No such plates though, and would be hard pressed to remember if my car had those in the first place. Stuey might know, it was his car.
    Thanks Schlitzaugen. I'm sure we've all a pile of "not sure what to do with"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by REN TIN TIN View Post
    Have you tried Schlitzaugen, he's been known to have R12 bits and he's local.
    The NS one on my R12 looks different, it doesn't curve and is flat.
    Also, on the R12 the engine mounts are bolted through the plate.

    I'll have a look on the shed.
    I don't recall seeing any recently but there might be a set lurking about.

    Cheers
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    Sorry, hunted high and low but couldn't locate any.
    I must have put them back on the motor when the car was sent to the scrappie.

    Regarding the drawing from 59Floride, the R12 plates are flat at the engine mount end (like in the parts list page I posted) and the last 2 drawings. They're not turned 90 degrees as shown in the first 4 of 59Floride's drawings.

    I'll take some photos on the weekend (weather permitting).


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    Quote Originally Posted by REN TIN TIN View Post
    Sorry, hunted high and low but couldn't locate any.
    I must have put them back on the motor when the car was sent to the scrappie.

    Regarding the drawing from 59Floride, the R12 plates are flat at the engine mount end (like in the parts list page I posted) and the last 2 drawings. They're not turned 90 degrees as shown in the first 4 of 59Floride's drawings.

    I'll take some photos on the weekend (weather permitting).


    Cheers
    RTT
    Much appreciate the trouble you are taking! Thanks very much.
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