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    Hi all,

    Does anyone have a set of the French Seats that they would sell? Front seats in particular. These are the ones (front seats) with the headrest that slots into the back rest of the seats. They were installed in the early 504s and might have continued in the TIs. They were in South African imported cars also (I had one years ago).

    My 1980 504 seats are very tired and I figured I'd try my luck for these seats first. Failing that, I'll figure out what to do with the old ones I guess.

    Condition isn't so important. It's the structure that matters.

    PM me if you have a spare set. I am in Canberra but could travel/freight as needed.

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    Will the early seats bolt into a 1980 504? I don't think they will, some modification will be necessary.

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    Have you thought about 505 seats...often fitted to 403 s......likely in BETTER condition...easier to locate..???

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    Hi John - Yes I have heard that the mounts may need modifying. I've also heard that the seats are possibly a bit wider than the later style. I'll live with both.

    Pekay - Yes I have thought about 505 seats. The blue velour Executive ones with rear headrests would be the go. I'll consider this also if anyone has a spare set. The early 504 seats are my first pick though. Very hard to find I think.

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    You will have to remove the alloy spacers to fit 505 seats to the later Australian locally made mounts. The early and imported 504 seats have an entirely different mounting system. Early 504 seats aren't very good, with the head restraint pulled up there is a big hole in the back support. Also, the locally trimmed seats fitted to early Australian cars are very soft, although the imported ones (basket weave style vinyl) are better.
    The early/imported seats moved in an arc as they are moved back and forward so that when the seat is right back, there is no thigh support, like fitting a 405 seat to a car that doesn't have a sloping seat mount.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James S View Post
    Hi John - Yes I have heard that the mounts may need modifying. I've also heard that the seats are possibly a bit wider than the later style. I'll live with both.

    Pekay - Yes I have thought about 505 seats. The blue velour Executive ones with rear headrests would be the go. I'll consider this also if anyone has a spare set. The early 504 seats are my first pick though. Very hard to find I think.

    Thanks,
    James
    I have a pair of blue velour 505 seats from a series 1. $150 the pair. No rips or tears!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dieselman View Post
    I have a pair of blue velour 505 seats from a series 1. $150 the pair. No rips or tears!
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    Thanks Graham and Leon,
    Good advice Graham which I'll bear in mind.

    Thanks Leon - I'll hold out for the 504 seats first but good to know about your 505 seats.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by James S View Post
    Thanks Graham and Leon,
    Good advice Graham which I'll bear in mind.

    Thanks Leon - I'll hold out for the 504 seats first but good to know about your 505 seats.

    Cheers
    Thanks James.
    Price is negotiable and I can deliver to Canberra.

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    To me, the series 1 505 seats were the pick of the litter out of all Peugeot seats (though I haven't sat in them all and in fact have never sat in an Executive. I thought they all had leather seats....but apparently not ).

    The series 2 are too hard and flat, and the series 1 GTI seats are starting to get that way.

    If you buy Dieselman's seats, I suggest you swap the foam in the seat bases. It's easy to do. The drivers side sags with age (esp on the RHS from getting in and out), but the passenger one will be almost like new. You can shore up the old drivers seat base with foam for any passengers and they won't really notice much difference. But you need the constant support in the drivers side.
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    my 1974 504 with the twin round headlights had tall back seats with an integrated head rest and hole. They were perhaps the best seats I've ever driven long distances in. They were far better than the much more expensive fully electric units in my Ford. That carburetted 2l was also perhaps the most fun car to drive on gravel I've found so far. Not enough power, but you could entice it to slide into a corner on compression...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beano View Post
    To me, the series 1 505 seats were the pick of the litter out of all Peugeot seats (though I haven't sat in them all and in fact have never sat in an Executive. I thought they all had leather seats....but apparently not ).

    The series 2 are too hard and flat, and the series 1 GTI seats are starting to get that way.

    If you buy Dieselman's seats, I suggest you swap the foam in the seat bases. It's easy to do. The drivers side sags with age (esp on the RHS from getting in and out), but the passenger one will be almost like new. You can shore up the old drivers seat base with foam for any passengers and they won't really notice much difference. But you need the constant support in the drivers side.
    I'm surprised nobody wants my pair of series 1 505 seats!
    Where else can you find these seats with no rips?
    If anyone wants them, let me know.
    Thanks.

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    Plenty of alternative seats at DIY wreckers ?

    In perfect, unfaded condition and for $110 a pair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    Plenty of alternative seats at DIY wreckers ?

    In perfect, unfaded condition and for $110 a pair.
    Everything is negotiable!

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    Personally, my choice would be Megane or Clio seats.

    Intended as advice, and not criticism, On Af pricing needs to be ultra competitive.

    God knows, I couldn't give away a garage full of 404 parts, let alone sell them.
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    I have an early 504 and pretty sure it has the seats that your looking for, I'm away for a few more days but can look when I'm home if you want and I'm also near Canberra

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    Quote Originally Posted by racing405 View Post
    my 1974 504 with the twin round headlights had tall back seats with an integrated head rest and hole. They were perhaps the best seats I've ever driven long distances in. They were far better than the much more expensive fully electric units in my Ford. That carburetted 2l was also perhaps the most fun car to drive on gravel I've found so far. Not enough power, but you could entice it to slide into a corner on compression...
    I agree. I loved the 504s I owned. Those seats were, in my mind, only second to 505 seats (no criticism of your own seat experience intended). The shape was great but not quite as soft as a 505. And funny that you should mention Fords : I drove Ford taxis for 3 years and got a sore back from their crappy seats, despite their adjustments. At the end of the day it was a huge relief to get into the 505 to drive home.
    And I agree with your comments on handling. Are you aware that our member "Thanos" still rallies 504s in Greece ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esscargo306 View Post
    I have an early 504 and pretty sure it has the seats that your looking for, I'm away for a few more days but can look when I'm home if you want and I'm also near Canberra
    Thanks Escargot,
    I would be interested to see what you have. I have found a set of seats from another Frogger which I will buy, but they will need re-covering. So, if you have a set also, I might be tempted to buy these also depending on condition. Perhaps send me a PM when you are able to.
    Thanks again,
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    Are these what you are looking for

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    Those are the second generation ones made by Hendersons in Australia. They were too thick in the backs, you couldn't open the rear doors from inside the car! The best local seats were the tombstone ones that had corduroy covering, much better than the plastic and they were also were firmer in the base. These came out around 1977.

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    Perhaps these were the seats James was referring to ? REALLY early...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beano View Post
    Perhaps these were the seats James was referring to ? REALLY early...

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    Also made in a vinyl leatherette

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    Yes, those are the ones, early local and most of the imported cars . Seats in the picture are quite late.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beano View Post
    Perhaps these were the seats James was referring to ? REALLY early...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esscargo306 View Post
    I have an early 504 and pretty sure it has the seats that your looking for, I'm away for a few more days but can look when I'm home if you want and I'm also near Canberra
    Hello, I'm Brad from Adelaide, I'm after the exact Tan vinyl seats you have for my '71 504, if James S doesn't take them, my dark Green interior is pretty much shot, so I'm wanting to change it all to Tan.
    I'd be very interested in any bits you may have, seats front and rear and door cards.
    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAHAM WALLIS View Post
    Yes, those are the ones, early local and most of the imported cars . Seats in the picture are quite late.
    and I and my crew fitted a good few of those at Heidelberg a while ago.....:-)
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