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    Default WTD 21mm Torsion Bars 205 gti

    Im after some 21mm torsion bars.

    If anyone has some they are not using or know of some for sale please get in touch.

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    If there is interest in people wanting some, I may be able to get them made here as a batch or ship some from the UK in bulk. If this is the case please state your interest below.

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    I'd be in Cam.... pending on cost of course.
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    Ok noted. Probably around the 7-800$ mark. Will get quotes soon.

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    Pug1off sell them for slightly less than that - in their web store.

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    Indeed Pug1Off do, but that does not include postage I don't think.

    Yep, I need a set as well Cam, put me down on the list
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    Put me down, not sure of details yet, may be thicker and for 309.

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    Indeed Pug1Off do, but that does not include postage I don't think.

    Yep, I need a set as well Cam, put me down on the list

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    I would caution you, I recently installed some from pug1off on my 206. They are 25mm which is a bit bigger for sure - I don't know if that caused the issue.
    We had a hell of a time fitting them in, the splines on the ends did not seem to be cut deep enough. We had to file out each spline just to get it to fit. It was a massive contrast to the factory splines which fitted perfectly.
    We did get it in, but I'm not looking forward to pulling them out again - I need to set the ride height slightly higher :-(

    I think I read PeterT has a contact in Australia that can make them.

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    Yep, if they can be made in Australia, and to a decent standard, that would potentially save on postage too.
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    I used to get them made locally but for the price, couldn't compete with UK. I've given Cameron my contact in the UK, whose bars have always fitted perfectly.

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    Thanks Peter, much appreciated.
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    I would also be keen then. We need to keep an eye on how many you send across together to keep freight plus bars less than $1000.

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    Last time I bought some they were 400GBP per pair.

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    So significantly more expensive than Pug1off. We wouldn't be able to combine shipping more than one set at a time or we will be over the $1000 GST limit, so no saving there - and it's likely that a small supplier might not have a good freight deal for sending things to Aus, so you could end up paying more there too.

    It's a shame if the quality of the Pug1off bars is a bit 'off' then. I can get a Pug1off ARB and TB's all shipped to Aus for well less than $1,000.

    If one went with the Pug1off option and the splines did turn out to be poor quality, is it a big problem to get them cleaned up?

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    I can do group buys from Pug1off if interested as thats where i get my flywheels from
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    if i knew whether or not I needed some i might be keen also. I've yet to touch the rear beam on mine yet also yet to see how much it can handle

    Guessing it gets cheaper with greater volume? or does 'volume' imply 100 and not 7

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    I guess it's worth putting to pug1off. Mine might have been a one off issue - they certainly seem to be very good guys from my dealings with them.

    I definitely was able to tidy them up enough to fit in. It was also very late at night, and we were over it. What was supposed to be a simple job turned into an epic struggle. Given more time and inclination I'm sure they could be cleaned up well enough to slide in and out easily enough. A gentle going over with a dremel disc would probably be the thing. I only had a hand file to use.

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    I'm going to cop some flack for this but here goes.
    First time I put my Mi16 powered 205 GTi on the track it understeered badly and would also lose traction at the drivewheels.
    The front suspension had been upgraded but aside from lowering and better shockers the back was standard.
    The neater and optimum fix would have been stiffer anti-roll bars at the back.
    Couldn't afford those or the wait to get them.
    So,, I went for another option.
    White-Line rear sway bar.
    The track handling of the car was completely transformed.
    Handling almost neutral and no loss of traction in corners.
    Best of all cost was around $100.00.
    These sway bars don't have the best reputation and a few people here consider them rubbish.
    Not the best engineering solution for the problem and not quite fit and forget but hey they work and the price is right.

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    Thanks for the input Paul.

    Im glad the rear sway bar is working for you. My only thought would be if you were to drive a car with the correct torsion bars and Arb you may find it even better again. So for 100$ it may solve the problem for now.

    I think Patpug had a Whiteline swaybar and then upgraded to the bars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 504-504-504 View Post
    I'm going to cop some flack for this but here goes.
    Paul, you could do it that way but it's not what a professional would do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cam85 View Post
    Thanks for the input Paul.

    Im glad the rear sway bar is working for you. My only thought would be if you were to drive a car with the correct torsion bars and Arb you may find it even better again. So for 100$ it may solve the problem for now.

    I think Patpug had a Whiteline swaybar and then upgraded to the bars.

    Cam
    As I mentioned and as confirmed by PeterT, not the best engineering solution.
    I'm sure the uprated torsion bars would be the better option.

    The white-line has 3 adjustment points.
    Wonder what the combination of std bars and white-line would equate to in bars alone?
    Would have to consider bar diameter and arm length on the whit-line I guess.
    Then how do you calculate the combined effect of the two sets of bars?

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    I'd be interested too, if the price was right. Actually come to think of it I have a couple of contacts here that can make axles etc. I'll ask on monday and see if I can get anywhere with group pricing.
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    Thats great chezoo.

    Ive flicked an email to Pug1off. Waiting for a reply.

    I believe the steel is EN24T Heat treated nikel chromium moloybdenum. (Info from other sites )

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    If you want to DYI, they need to finish at 40-44Rc. Make sure you include heat treatment in the pricing.

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    Peugeot Partner Torsion bars direct from Peugeot as a backup idea for 205 running 309 beams, 21.3mm from memory also they are a good fit
    I have them on my 309 gti6
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    would that also include berlingos?

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