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    Default WTB rear calipers for GTi6 or VTS.

    Looks like I'm after a set of 32mm rear calipers for my 205 rally car.
    Fitted to GTi6 and Citroen Xsara VTS I believe. Seems that hydraulic handbrakes on disc brake 205s don't work well at all.
    Also, I've noticed that left foot braking does nothing on the rally car whilst very easy and effective on the 405 SRi.
    Bit annoying as there was a VTS going begging at Imlachs for months!
    Graham

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    I've got these on the back of my car Graham, you'll notice the difference when you find a set. After upgrading the front brakes the small piston 205 callipers were doing nothing, all good now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAHAM WALLIS View Post
    Looks like I'm after a set of 32mm rear calipers for my 205 rally car.
    Fitted to GTi6 and Citroen Xsara VTS I believe. Seems that hydraulic handbrakes on disc brake 205s don't work well at all.
    Also, I've noticed that left food braking does nothing on the rally car whilst very easy and effective on the 405 SRi.
    Bit annoying as there was a VTS going begging at Imlachs for months!
    Graham
    Graham,

    My hydraulic hand brake works well on my late '93 rear disc brake 205 ???? (& has for about 6 years now).
    Present fleet:-
    Peugeot 93' 205 Gti 16v
    Peugeot 73' 504 Ti from new
    Peugeot 08' 407 Hdi Coupe from new

    Previous fleet:-
    Peugeot 95' 605 Sv
    Peugeot 92' 205 Gti
    Renault 72' 16TS from new
    Renault 69' 10
    Renault 71' 10s
    Renault 68' 10 from new

    "Be reasonable do it my way!"


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    Good to hear Robert, I'll see how it goes first I guess.
    Looking on 205 drivers it seemed I might have a problem, maybe they were all trying to feed it through the compensators?
    I have 306 calipers on my car but don't think they are Gti6.
    How is the plumbing arranged on your car?
    Graham

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    Graham,

    My hydraulic hand brake works well on my late '93 rear disc brake 205 ???? (& has for about 6 years now).

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    Hi Graham, I think I have some. Will let you know.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAHAM WALLIS View Post
    Good to hear Robert, I'll see how it goes first I guess.
    Looking on 205 drivers it seemed I might have a problem, maybe they were all trying to feed it through the compensators?
    I have 306 calipers on my car but don't think they are Gti6.
    How is the plumbing arranged on your car?
    Graham


    Remember my 205 is late '93
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    Present fleet:-
    Peugeot 93' 205 Gti 16v
    Peugeot 73' 504 Ti from new
    Peugeot 08' 407 Hdi Coupe from new

    Previous fleet:-
    Peugeot 95' 605 Sv
    Peugeot 92' 205 Gti
    Renault 72' 16TS from new
    Renault 69' 10
    Renault 71' 10s
    Renault 68' 10 from new

    "Be reasonable do it my way!"


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    Thanks, I have to be road legal to pass scrutiny so original handbrake has to stay in place.
    I will mount the hydraulic handbrake vertically to the left and forward of the gearshift, more WRC style.
    Hopefully it will be easy to access there.
    Plumbing is what I was thinking, whereabouts are the compensators mounted in the series 3?
    Angru, I'm still interested in the 32 mm calipers, as I said no rear bias at the moment with the standard Si setup (no compensatosr as these are built into the slave cylinders somehow).
    Graham

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    Believe it or not, the mechanical hand brake is still connected!

    The series 3 have two (2) compensators and are mounted in the lines just in front of the fuel tank.
    Present fleet:-
    Peugeot 93' 205 Gti 16v
    Peugeot 73' 504 Ti from new
    Peugeot 08' 407 Hdi Coupe from new

    Previous fleet:-
    Peugeot 95' 605 Sv
    Peugeot 92' 205 Gti
    Renault 72' 16TS from new
    Renault 69' 10
    Renault 71' 10s
    Renault 68' 10 from new

    "Be reasonable do it my way!"


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    Wouldn't that mean that either one or the other would work?
    If it was adjusted so both worked together it might give less required force?
    So the compensators are behind the handbrake, could it be the others left them in situ between the handbrake and the calipers??
    If so they would be doing their job, preventing the rear wheels from locking!

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    Believe it or not, the mechanical hand brake is still connected!

    The series 3 have two (2) compensators and are mounted in the lines just in front of the fuel tank.

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    Well, everything fitted up and I have to report it works about 1% as well as the cable handbrake, absolutely hopeless.
    Possibly the calipers are part seized, as I said left foot braking does nothing as well.
    Even so I think I need a set of GTi6 calipers. Angru, did you find yours?
    I need them by Friday if possible, Khanacross on Sunday.

    Graham

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    It's ALL in the bleeding. You must bleed each connection all the way from the front (in order) to the calipers. Do NOT operate the hand brake cylinder during the bleeding.

    Good Luck.

    PS Are the GTi6 calipers different to late 205?
    Present fleet:-
    Peugeot 93' 205 Gti 16v
    Peugeot 73' 504 Ti from new
    Peugeot 08' 407 Hdi Coupe from new

    Previous fleet:-
    Peugeot 95' 605 Sv
    Peugeot 92' 205 Gti
    Renault 72' 16TS from new
    Renault 69' 10
    Renault 71' 10s
    Renault 68' 10 from new

    "Be reasonable do it my way!"


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    I've got a pair of VTS calipers and after measuring them will give them a try tomorrow.
    It has a nice firm feel to the handle.

    Quote Originally Posted by BIGRR View Post
    It's ALL in the bleeding. You must bleed each connection all the way from the front (in order) to the calipers. Do NOT operate the hand brake cylinder during the bleeding.

    Good Luck.

    PS Are the GTi6 calipers different to late 205?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGRR View Post
    PS Are the GTi6 calipers different to late 205?

    Gti6 and VTS callipers have larger pistons. 33mm rather the 30mm if my memory is correct.
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    Yes 32 mm.
    I went to put the VTS calipers on then found that I already had them fitted! I had bought the arms from a forum member so didn't see what car they came off.
    I fitted the new ones anyway as they looked in better condition.
    Unsurprisingly there was no improvement.
    New pads and a bleed got things better but not great, although I now have some action happening in the rear for stopping power.
    Hand brake was then fixed by changing the pivot point on the lever, twice the leverage made a real difference.
    I am going to fit new discs this morning, hopefully this will give a further improvement so that a pressure limiting valve can be fitted to adjust the rear bias.
    I don't know why the rears aren't currently locking up readily with the big rear calipers and no compensating valve fitted.

    Graham

    Quote Originally Posted by patpug View Post
    Gti6 and VTS callipers have larger pistons. 33mm rather the 30mm if my memory is correct.

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    The rear flexible hoses aren't blocked? Do you get plenty of pressure when you bleed them? I've seen cars with almost completely no pressure to rear brakes from the flex hoses.


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    I've got one if that helps?

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    Thanks but everyone is sorted now.
    Hydraulic hand brake lever was modified to increase the leverage, so that is fine and a 405 compensator added to get the balance back to where it should be.
    Graham

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    I've got one if that helps?

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