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    Default Wanted 205 GTI standard front springs 20mm to 30mm lower than standard

    Hi I am after a set of standard 205 GTI front springs,

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    That have been reset 20,25 or 30mm max.

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    Jamie, I dont have any spring that are lowered but do have a spare set if your after a second set to reset? Or I have a set of Eibach lowering springs if you want to borrow them and see if you like them?

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    i have a set of gti front coils reset 40mm lower by king springs and never used, i realise you said 30 max but they are avail regards fish
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    Ok, thanks cam and fish for your replys,

    Cam With the eibech springs how much lower than standard are they?

    Fish I will keep them in mind.

    These are my thoughts I have a s3 gti I am fitting a gti6 motor

    When I measure my standard 205 it has 60mm from the top of the tyre to the bottom of the flare

    I didn't want the car to be to firm, or to low so I thought I would use the standard springs reset to ? with the bilstein b4's all round

    and lower the Rear one or two splines on the torsion bars.

    My new wheels are speedlines 15 x 6.3/4 and the extra 3/4 in will be sticking out the guard

    Also how much does the rear lower with each spline you move it?

    What affect will the extra weight of the cast iron block have on ribe height in millimetres with standard springs?

    Any feed back would be good

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    heres my 205 with 30mm lower springs but they are significantly firmer. by some rough online calcs they are approx 180lb springs. the std 205 springs using the same calculator came in at around 90lb. from what i have read the eibach springs that are 30mm lower are progressive and range from 80lb to 200lb.

    originally i had a set of std 205 gti springs reset 15mm lower as i have read that the gti6 makes the car around 10mm lower once settled. i put them in and fitted the 16v engine and it didnt go down up front but actually lifted the front. i then put the 8v back in it for rego and it sat around the same, yes actually ended up higher than std! in theory it should of sat around the 15mm lower. either way the xu10 motor didnt change the height much at all.

    i put this down to two possible things 1. the springs werent reset properly and/or 2. i fitted group n strut top mounts. apparently group n top mounts can lift the ride height.

    i had planned to use some xsara vts springs after reading an article on a uk forum but then a kind fellow frogger donated me some 30mm springs brand and origin unknown which are now in the car and pictured and i think will suit the heavier motor.

    either way i decided that the 205 springs are a little on the soft side for the gti6 motor, reason being, std xsara vts springs and or some gti6 springs calculate out to about the 145lb mark and most people claim that the eibach springs are perfect for fast road car in ther 205.

    although the gti6 is not alot heavier it is heavier. i can tell you this first hand as i have been moving them around the shed for the last few months and i have been lifting xu9 and xu10 blocks from place to place. ive also dummy fitted a few xu10/xu9 engines in the 205 and the engine crane notices the difference. sorry i cant be more technical but i get the feeling the weight would make a difference.

    if the car is sitting still it may not be too bad but take it down a bumpy road and you will see what i mean. i believe the extra weight of the xu10 will kill the std 205 springs when they are loaded up.

    on top of that the bilstien b4 struts dont end up with much travel when 30mm lower springs are used so soft lowered springs and short travel on the strut will equal a blow out. i had to cut 1 ring off my bump stops to help the travel of the strut. the b6 struts are better suited to lowered springs which i plan to upgrade to soon.

    hope you can understand that ramble?

    as far as rear beam setting mine is set to 315mm centre to centre and its best to use a dummy shock not spline counting method it doesnt work. its pretty easy once your there doing it.

    im guessing your wheels might be SL434's? if so i made some arches that cater for wider wheels if your interested i could send you some pics?
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    found a pic of the wide arches i made i have a mould for both sides
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    Quote Originally Posted by djvu205 View Post
    found a pic of the wide arches i made i have a mould for both sides
    Hi thanks for that

    I do have a set of vts springs they could be worth a try maybe even have them reset 20mm lower

    I'm interested in the wheel arches they are the wheels that I have.
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    check this out

    http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=100508


    after alot of searching and mucking around with a few spring calculators i came up with the following

    std 205 gti

    free length 330mm
    dia 155mm
    wire dia 12.7mm
    no of coils 5.5 (active coils 4)


    std vts xsara mk2

    free length 320mm
    dia 155mm
    wire dia 13.2mm
    no of coils 5.5 (active coils 4)


    depending on how many coils you use in the calculation the results i got where as follows. the only real factor that changes the rate between the two is the wire dia as they are physically pretty much the same.

    205 gti - 5.5 coils 90 lb/in
    205 gti - 4 coils 123 lb/in

    xsara vts mk2 - 5.5 coils 106 lb/in
    xsara vts mk2 - 4 coils 147 lb/in

    regardless of the number of coils used to calculate the above rates it seemed that vts springs are approx 18 - 19% firmer than std 205 springs and dimensionally very close. im was hoping that coulped with some solid rear beam mounts and possibly a 22mm ARB that the car should be still nice enough on the road but also handle the extra weight of the xu10 up front and not develop any understeer.


    as mentioned i ended up with some different springs but this might be worth a try
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    I've got a pair of 205/309 GTI Jamex -30 mm progressive lowering springs:



    40 EUR + postage

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fish View Post
    i have a set of gti front coils reset 40mm lower by king springs and never used, i realise you said 30 max but they are avail regards fish
    Out of interest, do you still have these reset springs fish? Your PM inbox is full.

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    Anyone for a bit of light reading on the effects of lowering 205s: http://forum.205gtidrivers.com/index...owtopic=120157


    PS My 205 is fitted with xu10. I put it over the weigh bridge, with spare wheel and full of fuel. The car is still air conditioned. The docket said 1000kg (exactly). I doubt that the cast iron block adds much more than about 35kg.
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    I'd try leaving the STD Springs in. The extra 35 to 40 kg might just drop it for you....
    ....now watch a Peugeot turn into a corner!

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