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    The Dakar Rally starts tomorrow. The Mitsibushi team looks like doing it again for the sixth time.
    Lets get down to the nitty gritty.
    Why has Mitsubishi and Citroen done so well in rallies in recent years?
    The suspension system.
    Kinetic Suspensions of Dunsborough in Western Australia derived the system using gassed spheres; a la Citroen; it seems to bode well in the rough terrain.
    Other manufacturers are using airbags and other systems to increase the height on vehicles, which the hydro/phneumatic system has been doing well for over 50 years.
    Kinetic uses a different system where the front wheels always supply the same road pressure, and the same with the rear, so there is never a loss of traction over any terrain.
    The Association of Citroen Enthusiasts WA Cit-in at Busselton in 1998 was given a tour of the Dunsborough faclities and a demonstration at their testing ground.
    Sadly it was sold to Americans some years back.
    The club day at Dunsborough was an eye-opener and well worth the visit.

    Viva la difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arunine
    Sadly it was sold to Americans some years back.
    And sadly for the company it is banned from the WRC now as well.

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    Good to see Andy Caldecott from my old town of Keith, South Australia has started well in the bikes. He was a late inclusion for the Repsol KTM Team - and he must be loving it. The last two times he set out for the Dakar our town rallied together to pool some money together to help him out. This time he got rung up and asked to ride a bike for a factory backed team.

    doh just checked the results and he got a 2min penalty.

    Carlos Sainz has made it 2 stage wins in a row in his first ever Dakar.

    Im upset that the DAF trucks were banned and sent home

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    I'm glad to hear Andy Caldecott is in it again, he's had a tough run at the Dakar in the past.

    I saw some of the SBS Sports, showing one of the trucks on its side, and another taking a short cut down a very very steep hillside.

    The entry list is a good scan... Harley Davidson V-Rod, Landcruiser 45 series (1970s type), Hummer H3, Kia Sorento Evo II.

    The DAF trucks were not on the entry list, do you know what happened?

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    Andy just won stage 3!

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    Awesome work by Andy there!!

    I was watching the highlights on SBS last night and I saw a pretty cool looking Renault Megane (Car 340) Looked pretty cool and is running in 32nd outright. Looks nothing like the Schlessor Renault buggies from a few years ago though!

    Cant find any photos of it on google yet...
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    My personal favourite Miki Biasion (double WRC world champion with Lancia Delta in the late 80's) is doing well in the trucks.

    Also great to see Sainz doing so well, and Bruno Saby in there with the trucks too.

    But now the real Dakar starts, in Morocco.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnh875
    I'm glad to hear Andy Caldecott is in it again, he's had a tough run at the Dakar in the past.

    The DAF trucks were not on the entry list, do you know what happened?
    According to SBS, it was something to do with their paperwork, or they did not pass the scruitineering.
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    There is an article on De Rooy's website (link) that said they did not get the homologation for their 2006-spec trucks done in time because 15 trucks were required which is obviously too much for a private team, and then could not full convert them back to 2005-spec. The only technical non-conformity was the leaf springs being 9cm wide not 8, but also it seems the trucks did not have logbooks. Shades of Minardi at Melb GP this year all other truck teams bar Kamaz and Renault gave written support to them being allowed to run.

    I think it is a disgrace that a team that has added so much to the event has been treated this way, it seems the governing bodies and race organisers engaged in a buck-passing exercise. Surely the race organisers should be trying to ensure they were able to run, I can't imagine how disappointing it must have been for the team.

    Also have a look at the technical specs - 800hp!

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    Anyone else spot the Megane that is entered. Not sure what the car number is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kermit
    Anyone else spot the Megane that is entered. Not sure what the car number is.
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    James Hunt: Well that should put them out then!


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    Quote Originally Posted by gti138
    Oops missed that post.
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    De Villiers leading Sainz by 22 seconds, a VW 1-2-3 with Schlesser in P4, Saby in P6 and Peterhansel in P9. Freddy Loix in P26 and Robby Gordon in P27 in the Hummer.
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    Standings after 6 stages, Schlesser buggy 1-2 in stage 6

    Bikes

    1 M. COMA Repsol KTM 18:15:45
    2 C. DESPRES Gauloises KTM 18:19:28 + 00:03:43
    3 I. ESTEVE PUJOL Gauloises KTM 18:20:10 + 00:04:25
    4 C. DE GAVARDO Repsol KTM 18:21:42 + 00:05:57
    5 A. CALDECOTT Repsol KTM 18:43:28 + 00:27:43
    6 D. FRETIGNE 18:50:13 + 00:34:28
    7 G. SALA Repsol KTM 18:53:35 + 00:37:50

    "Autos"

    1 C. SAINZ Volkswagen 16:34:20 + 16:34:20
    2 J. KLEINSCHMIDT Volkswagen 16:34:32 + 16:34:32
    3 J. SCHLESSER Schlesser 16:35:00 + 16:35:00
    4 B. SABY Volkswagen 16:37:55 + 16:37:55
    5 M. MILLER Volkswagen 16:41:12 + 16:41:12
    6 T. MAGNALDI Schlesser 16:42:08 + 16:42:08
    7 S. PETERHANSEL Mitsubishi 16:43:35 + 16:43:35
    8 N. ROMA Mitsubishi 16:45:24 + 16:45:24
    9 G. CHICHERIT X-Raid BMW 17:14:27 + 17:14:27
    10 A. COX X-Raid BMW 17:34:35 + 17:34:35

    20 T. DE LAVERGNE Megane 19:41:47 + 19:41:47

    Trucks

    1 V. CHAGIN Kamaz 19:57:20
    2 K. LOPRAIS Tatra 22:05:03 + 02:07:43
    3 H. STACEY Man 22:08:46 + 02:11:26

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    Quote Originally Posted by kermit
    Oops missed that post.
    It does look pretty wild though!
    Murray : And there are flames coming from the back of Prost's car as he enters the swimming pool!
    James Hunt: Well that should put them out then!


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    Default Dakar sponsors ??

    Intrigued by the Dakar sponsor's name. "Euromilhoes".
    Who are they ??

    Yes, sad about the de Rooys Daf entries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kermit
    Anyone else spot the Megane that is entered. Not sure what the car number is.
    is that what that renault was.?
    havnt seen it at all yet,im taping it this year with the vcr now programmed for every day as today i missed 10 minutes of the starthttp://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/images/icons/icon9.gif-not again.-BAZZ
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    For Dakar Rally information go to www.dakar.com
    There was a Hardly-Davidson entered in the bikes, but it only did a couple of stages.
    Also among the Mericans is the Hummer of Robbie Gordon, next time I see it, I will see if I can spot the towbar for the fuel (sorry gas) tanker it must be towing. No Citroens, a few Renaults and one Peugeot retired.

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    Look at the change in the cars' leader table Amazing what a few days in the desert will do for you... Andy Caldecott is now in 6th place with
    Coma still leading the bikes.

    1 300 PETERHANSEL (FRA)
    COTTRET (FRA) MITSUBISHI 27:43:41 00:00:00
    2 302 ALPHAND (FRA)
    PICARD (FRA) MITSUBISHI 27:44:13 00:00:32
    3 305 DE VILLIERS (AFS)
    THORNER (SUE) VOLKSWAGEN 28:09:57 00:26:16
    4 304 ROMA (ESP)
    MAGNE (FRA) MITSUBISHI 28:27:16 00:43:35
    5 303 KLEINSCHMIDT (ALL)
    PONS (ITA) VOLKSWAGEN 28:50:07 01:06:26
    6 315 MAGNALDI (FRA)
    DEBRON (FRA) SCHLES-FORD-RAID 29:17:21 01:33:40
    7 314 SCHLESSER (FRA)
    BORSOTTO (FRA) SCHLES-FORD-RAID 29:29:02 01:45:21
    8 309 MILLER (USA)
    VON ZITZEWITZ (ALL) VOLKSWAGEN 29:55:54 02:12:13
    9 311 SOUSA (POR)
    LURQUIN (BEL) NISSAN 30:53:53 03:10:12
    10 415 KAHLE (ALL)
    SCHUENEMANN (ALL) HONDA 33:47:03 06:03:22

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    I think Euromilhões is a lotto company, similar to our Tattslotto. It translates from Portugese into Euro Millions. That's what I've been able to glean from the 'net.

    http://www.euromilhões.com/

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    Ralph,
    Thanks for the "Euromilhoes" info.
    You've no idea how frustrating it's been not knowing
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    This is totally tragic.

    http://www.abc.net.au/sport/content/200601/s1544370.htm


    Australian Caldecott killed in Dakar Rally


    Australian motorcyclist Andy Caldecott has been killed in a crash during the ninth stage of the Dakar Rally, organisers said.

    KTM rider Caldecott, who won the third stage of the Rally from Nador to Er Rachidia in Morocco last Monday, fell 250 kilometres into the 599-kilometre stage between Nouakchott and Kiffa.

    "We learned at 11:57 GMT of the death of Andy Caldecott who fell after 250 kilometres," race director Etienne Lavigne said.

    "He probably died instantly. We learned of the accident at 11:31 and the helicopter landed at 11:55. His death was confirmed at 11:57. Obviously his family have been informed."

    Caldecott becomes the 23rd competitor to die in the Dakar Rally since it started 28 years ago.

    Last year two motorcyclists died - Spain's Juan Manuel Perez and Italy's Fabrizio Meoni.

    -AFP


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    Quote Originally Posted by TroyO
    This is totally tragic.

    http://www.abc.net.au/sport/content/200601/s1544370.htm


    Australian Caldecott killed in Dakar Rally


    Australian motorcyclist Andy Caldecott has been killed in a crash during the ninth stage of the Dakar Rally, organisers said.

    KTM rider Caldecott, who won the third stage of the Rally from Nador to Er Rachidia in Morocco last Monday, fell 250 kilometres into the 599-kilometre stage between Nouakchott and Kiffa.

    "We learned at 11:57 GMT of the death of Andy Caldecott who fell after 250 kilometres," race director Etienne Lavigne said.

    "He probably died instantly. We learned of the accident at 11:31 and the helicopter landed at 11:55. His death was confirmed at 11:57. Obviously his family have been informed."

    Caldecott becomes the 23rd competitor to die in the Dakar Rally since it started 28 years ago.

    Last year two motorcyclists died - Spain's Juan Manuel Perez and Italy's Fabrizio Meoni.

    -AFP


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    Thats just awful

    Just saw it now on the morning news. He was going quite well also.

    Thoughts are for his family


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    This is tragic news....

    Condolonces to Andy's family, friends and team mates.

    I have been following him in the event for the past few years and was really excited about him picking up a factory ride this year.

    R I P Andy....
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    What a tragedy, I too was closely following him this year.

    RIP Andy, condolences to your family.


    It was on the way to Kiffa that Fabrizio Meoni died last year also, in nearly the same area, another great talent lost.

    Another sad day in motorsport.
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