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    RACE DATE: 24 JULY 2005
    LOCATION: HOCKENHEIM, GERMANY
    2004 WINNER: M.SCHUMACHER, 2ND: BUTTON, 3RD: ALONSO
    2004 POLE: M.SCHUMACHER - 1m13.306
    2004 BEST LAP: RAIKKONEN - 1m13.780

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    Originally a pre-war Mercedes test track of two long straights through the forest linked by the long sweeping Ostkurve and a hairpin in Hockenheim village, post-war development saw the emergence of the modern circuit after the Second World War. Infamous for the death of Jim Clark in a Formula 2 race, the first Grand Prix at Hockenheim was in 1970 - a classic slipstreaming battle won by Jochen Rindt. Two chicanes beoke up the long straights by the time the Grand Prix arrived permanently in 1977 and a third was added at the Ostkurve after Patrick Depailler's death in 1980. F1's theatre of sheer speed (the Arrows of Jos Verstappen achieved 217mph in 2000).

    TIMETABLE: (In Local Time - GMT +2)

    Friday, July 22nd:
    Practice Session 1 - 11:00-12:00
    Practice Session 2 - 14:00-15:00
    Saturday, July 23rd:
    Practice Session 3 - 09:00-09:45
    Practice Session 4 - 10:15-11:00
    Qualifying Session 1 - 13:00-14:00
    Sunday, July 24th:
    Race - 14:00-16:00

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    Friday second practice times from Hockenheim

    1. WURZ McLaren 1m13.973s

    2. RAIKKONEN McLaren 1m14.576s

    3. ALONSO Renault 1m15.560s

    4. MONTOYA McLaren 1m15.772s

    5. ZONTA Toyota 1m16.091s

    6. FISICHELLA Renault 1m16.146s

    7. MASSA Sauber 1m16.161s

    8. LIUZZI Red Bull 1m16.297s

    9. TRULLI Toyota 1m16.411s

    10. M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari 1m16.474s

    11. R.SCHUMACHER Toyota 1m16.575s

    12. KLIEN Red Bull 1m16.658s

    13. BUTTON BAR 1m16.752s

    14. WEBBER Williams 1m16.879s

    15. HEIDFELD Williams 1m16.893s

    16. BARRICHELLO Ferrari 1m16.913s

    17. VILLENEUVE Sauber 1m16.938s

    18. SATO BAR 1m16.992s

    19. KARTHIKEYAN Jordan 1m17.506s

    20. ALBERS Minardi 1m17.830s

    21. DOORNBOS Minardi 1m17.978s

    22. MONTEIRO Jordan 1m18.227s

    23. KIESA Jordan 1m19.484s

    24. COULTHARD Red Bull no time

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    Third Mercedes engine blow in the row. Alonso now leads with 36 points.

    Way to go Renault. Marseillaise was played at podium for all of us fellow froggers!

    The funniest things were Briatore's and Alonso's victory celebrations

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    Originally posted by chips
    Originally a pre-war Mercedes test track of two long straights through the forest linked by the long sweeping Ostkurve and a hairpin in Hockenheim village, post-war development saw the emergence of the modern circuit after the Second World War. Infamous for the death of Jim Clark in a Formula 2 race, the first Grand Prix at Hockenheim was in 1970 - a classic slipstreaming battle won by Jochen Rindt. Two chicanes beoke up the long straights by the time the Grand Prix arrived permanently in 1977 and a third was added at the Ostkurve after Patrick Depailler's death in 1980. F1's theatre of sheer speed (the Arrows of Jos Verstappen achieved 217mph in 2000).
    A sadly out of date review...

    Changed again, totally emaciated, three years ago, the track is now the loop and pits in front of the grandstands (put there in the '50s - '60s when the Autobahn cut through the circuit) plus a bundle of straights and corners behind the pits surrounded by hectares of hotmix runoff areas.

    Interestingly, when Hockenheim was first used for the German GP, it was bewailed that the race could go to such an uninteresting place after it had lived at the Nurburgring's 22km wonder circuit for over forty years (barring 1959, of course...). But by the time the emaciation came, the ultra-fast Hockenheim was one of the most interesting circuits in the series because it was one of the few, because of its long straights, that allowed overtaking.

    Times change...

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    I agree Ray, even with boring races watching the Hockenheim GP was still good. I loved watching the onboard shots and listening to the engine winding out the last few rpm well beyond 200mph.

    The observation I would make is I can't understand why Kimi Raikkonen leaves the circuit within 15min of his car expiring. Of course he is disappointed, but how about a bit of solidarity with his team mates, and do some work for his team with the media and sponsors. Surely he is professional enough to do that?

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    Maybe he realised he'd just lost the 2005 World Championship and wanted to go and cry?

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    I'm not saying he can't go have a cry, just that he should then suck it up and come out to face the music. I don't expect him to be happy and smiling - watching the WRC coverage, some of the best entertainment is the interviews when Gronholm's car is playing up. So long as the interviewer asks the right questions Marcus gives answers – even if they are a bit terse, which is understandable since at times he appears to be struggling to control incandescent rage!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Bell
    Maybe he realised he'd just lost the 2005 World Championship and wanted to go and cry?
    He does that everytime he retires, not only then when he loses championship.
    People don't generally like him here in Finland. Also media and Räikkönen are in war path. He married a beauty pageant called Jenni Dahlman and reportedly cheats her and drinks too much, doesn't do much testing for the team and leaves all PR-jobs fo Montoya.

    Räikkönen blames that finnish people don't support him but he acts like an idiot and he is being treated like that.

    Everybody here is drooling when Heikki Kovalainen gets his chance in F1. Flavio Briatore has promised him to be Renaults third driver in 2006 and race driver in 2007. Heikki is faster/smarter than Kimi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Bell
    the ultra-fast Hockenheim was one of the most interesting circuits in the series because it was one of the few, because of its long straights, that allowed overtaking.
    Overtaking .. mmm sadly seems not a word in the vocab of 2005 drivers/teams (unless in the pits) ... yep that's the bit that has dulled F1 IMHO.

    F1 is getting like WRC ... yep all froggy victories, but I'd rather see a mix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Bell
    A sadly out of date review...

    Changed again, totally emaciated, three years ago, the track is now the loop and pits in front of the grandstands (put there in the '50s - '60s when the Autobahn cut through the circuit) plus a bundle of straights and corners behind the pits surrounded by hectares of hotmix runoff areas.

    Interestingly, when Hockenheim was first used for the German GP, it was bewailed that the race could go to such an uninteresting place after it had lived at the Nurburgring's 22km wonder circuit for over forty years (barring 1959, of course...). But by the time the emaciation came, the ultra-fast Hockenheim was one of the most interesting circuits in the series because it was one of the few, because of its long straights, that allowed overtaking.

    Times change...
    For putting that right.

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