Peugeot with a diesel powered car at le Mans, it's official!!!!!
  • Help
Page 1 of 2 12 Last
Results 1 to 25 of 30
  1. #1
    Fellow Frogger!
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Paris(France)
    Posts
    186

    Icon7 Peugeot with a diesel powered car at le Mans, it's official!!!!!

    Hi,

    Advertisement



    News just in...


    Peugeot will prepare a HDI+FAP powered Supercar during year 2006 in order to run the 2007 sport cars championship+ le Mans(and win it)!!!


    Amazing news after their retirement of the WRC!!!

  2. #2
    1000+ Posts Fordman's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Location
    Perth/West Australia
    Posts
    1,531

    Default

    Sounds good, I've always liked sports cars but we dont get much of them here in Aust.
    Keep posting developments please.

    Cheers.

  3. #3
    1000+ Posts bowie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2002
    Location
    Sydney, Concord City, Sir.
    Posts
    3,532

    Default

    those crazy french should be very interesting indeed.. if not hopefully drive performance diesel stuff in to main stream a little more..

    Works: 2003 YV Commodore (That is Cecil to you)
    Playing: R12, SuperPos, thinks It's a race car and Sunny the R12 Lego set.
    Previous: SuperGrumpy fuel spitting 504ti(ish), SuperComfortable 505 STI, SuperDoper carried my groceries Mi16, Choo Choo'd Volvo S40
    Wanted Will hoard 12/15/17 Junk.

    "More and more of less and less" - Marina Abramović

  4. #4
    1000+ Posts CHRI'S16's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2002
    Location
    Sydney
    Posts
    3,298

    Default

    Great news... but this Diesel develpoment is taking much longer than I thought and wanted. I still don't see any current (mass production) car in Turbo Diesel that in stock will outperform its petrol counterpart.
    When will deisel tech really kick a real life goal, i hope its not far away. - Chris
    ... ptui!

  5. #5
    Fellow Frogger!
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Christchurch, NZ
    Posts
    228

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by CHRI'S16
    Great news... but this Diesel develpoment is taking much longer than I thought and wanted. I still don't see any current (mass production) car in Turbo Diesel that in stock will outperform its petrol counterpart.
    When will deisel tech really kick a real life goal, i hope its not far away. - Chris

    The BMW 530 diesel is more than a match for the petrol version
    95 MI16
    71 404 U10 ute
    66 404 coupe
    55 203C (gently warmed) gone... sold...

  6. #6
    1000+ Posts CHRI'S16's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2002
    Location
    Sydney
    Posts
    3,298

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by kiwi 03
    The BMW 530 diesel is more than a match for the petrol version
    Really, BMW here don't seem to think so. And is that the 530 petrol in the same capacity??? So why didn't they use deisel with the M5? I know it would have crazy tourque, but how much quicker is it? Sorry about the 100Q's - Chris
    ... ptui!

  7. #7
    2000+ Brad's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2001
    Location
    Brisbane
    Posts
    2,404

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by CHRI'S16
    Really, BMW here don't seem to think so. And is that the 530 petrol in the same capacity??? So why didn't they use deisel with the M5? I know it would have crazy tourque, but how much quicker is it? Sorry about the 100Q's - Chris
    The 5 series is using some new funky sequential dual turbo system with routes the exhaust and chagred intake depending on engine speed and load to maximise the efficiency and power. Apparently it works a treat too.

    Unfortunatly the AU market has yet to mature enough to accept diesel in the mainstream. I suggest it's also go to do with the price premium of diesel compared to the opposite in the home markets.

    Regarding the M5, BMW wanted to flex their muscles and produce a high power, high rev V10 engine to sell off the back of their F1 'succecs'.
    B to the R to the A from the D
    1994 MX5 Clubman...are you sure it's not French?

  8. #8
    1000+ Posts CHRI'S16's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2002
    Location
    Sydney
    Posts
    3,298

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Brad
    The 5 series is using some new funky sequential dual turbo system with routes the exhaust and chagred intake depending on engine speed and load to maximise the efficiency and power. Apparently it works a treat too.

    Unfortunatly the AU market has yet to mature enough to accept diesel in the mainstream. I suggest it's also go to do with the price premium of diesel compared to the opposite in the home markets.

    Regarding the M5, BMW wanted to flex their muscles and produce a high power, high rev V10 engine to sell off the back of their F1 'succecs'.
    Thanks Brad, you live aye!? - Chris

    ps, any figure for this 530 d.
    ... ptui!

  9. #9
    Fellow Frogger! crosspug's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2001
    Location
    Newcastle, NSW, Australia
    Posts
    547

    Icon1

    Its the 535d

    2993cc inline 6, twin-turbo diesel
    272hp @ 4400rpm
    413 lb.ft @ 2000rpm
    0-100(ish) 6.5sec

    Evo did a write up in the March edition. They enjoyed it but not as much as the M5 (turn in etc was better).

    Jono
    1989 BX16Valve

    "Resting" 1983 505 STi

  10. #10
    Fellow Frogger!
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Christchurch, NZ
    Posts
    228

    Default

    One of the local car mag.s tried one in Europe and raved about it, said it was the best BMW engine full stop.

    A pity our diesel here is so shi**y here we don't see them.

    I drove one from Surrey to Goodwood two days in a row when they first came out two years ago and was mighty impressed. Far better than the Mercedes C230D I drove in Germany last year.
    95 MI16
    71 404 U10 ute
    66 404 coupe
    55 203C (gently warmed) gone... sold...

  11. #11
    1000+ Posts CHRI'S16's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2002
    Location
    Sydney
    Posts
    3,298

    Default

    So just like petrol there is different grades of Diesel? Is it graded the same way regular ULP etc??...
    I want a super tourque. super revs RWD under 800 Kg's.... hmm. - Chris
    ... ptui!

  12. #12
    1000+ Posts kermit's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2002
    Location
    Inner city, Brisbane
    Posts
    2,335

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Pugster
    Peugeot will prepare a HDI+FAP powered Supercar during year 2006 in order to run the 2007 sport cars championship+ le Mans(and win it)!!!
    This isn't the first time diesel engined cars have appeared at Le Mans. BMW have competed in the past in diesel powered saloons.
    Cheers Simon
    >8-]

    Rendezvous Adelaide 2005

    Polo Green '01 406 Coupe (5spd Man)
    Tuscany Green '00 206 GTi (Croaked!)

    My Flickr Photos

    206gti.net
    peugeot-206gti
    peugeot-307
    peugeot-407
    peugeotclub.asn.au

  13. #13
    1000+ Posts kermit's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2002
    Location
    Inner city, Brisbane
    Posts
    2,335

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by crosspug
    Its the 535d Evo did a write up in the March edition. They enjoyed it but not as much as the M5 (turn in etc was better).
    Probably because of less weight over the front wheels compared to the V10.
    Cheers Simon
    >8-]

    Rendezvous Adelaide 2005

    Polo Green '01 406 Coupe (5spd Man)
    Tuscany Green '00 206 GTi (Croaked!)

    My Flickr Photos

    206gti.net
    peugeot-206gti
    peugeot-307
    peugeot-407
    peugeotclub.asn.au

  14. #14
    1000+ Posts kermit's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2002
    Location
    Inner city, Brisbane
    Posts
    2,335

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by crosspug
    Its the 535d
    2993cc inline 6, twin-turbo diesel
    272hp @ 4400rpm
    413 lb.ft @ 2000rpm
    0-100(ish) 6.5sec
    How do these figures compare to BMW's 3.0L petrol 535i? Wouldn't surprise me if the 'd' was the quicker of the two.
    Cheers Simon
    >8-]

    Rendezvous Adelaide 2005

    Polo Green '01 406 Coupe (5spd Man)
    Tuscany Green '00 206 GTi (Croaked!)

    My Flickr Photos

    206gti.net
    peugeot-206gti
    peugeot-307
    peugeot-407
    peugeotclub.asn.au

  15. #15
    Fellow Frogger! PLAYLIFE's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Melbourne
    Posts
    334

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by kermit
    This isn't the first time diesel engined cars have appeared at Le Mans. BMW have competed in the past in diesel powered saloons.

    Last year a diesel powered car entered. It was a V10 with a Lola B2K/10 chassis.


    I believe the first diesel engined car was in 1949.
    1977-1982
    Gli Anni Delle Febbre
    Gilles Villeneuve #27


    2005 Peugeot 206 GTi180

  16. #16
    1000+ Posts gti138's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Adelaide, South Australia
    Posts
    1,885

    Default

    Wasnt that the one that was running on bio-diesel? I vaguely remember something about last years LeMans and a diesel powered car running.

    I know that several teams have entered diesel cars in the Nurburgring 24 hrs - or possibly the spa 24 hours. One was a team headed by the Luff's from Sydney. I think it was a diesel powered pug (306?) or maybe a golf.

    Quote Originally Posted by PLAYLIFE
    Last year a diesel powered car entered. It was a V10 with a Lola B2K/10 chassis.


    I believe the first diesel engined car was in 1949.
    Murray : And there are flames coming from the back of Prost's car as he enters the swimming pool!
    James Hunt: Well that should put them out then!


    Mallala: 1:30.79





  17. #17
    2cv
    2cv is offline
    Member 2cv's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    melbourne
    Posts
    31

    Default

    Diesel technology is progressing at leaps and bounds compared to petrol. Years ago you wouldnt have compared them. But we're in the wrong country to observe this...

  18. #18
    BDG
    BDG is offline
    Tadpole BDG's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Born&raised in melbourne
    Posts
    26

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by 2cv
    Diesel technology is progressing at leaps and bounds compared to petrol. Years ago you wouldnt have compared them. But we're in the wrong country to observe this...
    85% of the cars made & sold by PEUGEOT worldwide are diesel fueled & powered. Just wait until Peugeot tackle F1 with a Diesel ,of which will be not to long!

  19. #19
    BDG
    BDG is offline
    Tadpole BDG's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Born&raised in melbourne
    Posts
    26

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by BDG
    85% of the cars made & sold by PEUGEOT worldwide are diesel fueled & powered. Just wait until Peugeot tackle F1 with a Diesel ,of which will be not to long!
    By the way,Peugeot & BMW are to share joint manufacturing in STRASBURG , French /German border country , to produce petrol engines for both marques respectively , to use in cars only.

  20. #20
    1000+ Posts PeterT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2000
    Location
    Castle Hill, Sydney
    Posts
    7,552

    Default

    Just look at the new 307 2.0L HDi - 100kW and 320Nm. It does 195km/h and gets 4.4 L/100Km. Why would you buy a petrol?

    '92 205 Mi16
    '90 Mi16x4

  21. #21
    BDG
    BDG is offline
    Tadpole BDG's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Born&raised in melbourne
    Posts
    26

    Icon14

    Yes you are right, why would you?

  22. #22
    Tadpole Pooh306's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Jervis Bay
    Posts
    5

    Default Oil vs Petroleum

    Quote Originally Posted by BDG
    85% of the cars made & sold by PEUGEOT worldwide are diesel fueled & powered. Just wait until Peugeot tackle F1 with a Diesel ,of which will be not to long!
    BDG,

    Where did you get your 85% figure from. I would be interested to read your source.

    My HDi is great to drive and gets around 17 Klms per litre on average. I am sure I could improve upon that figure with an interstate trip.

    I am keen to see what the next generation of Diesel engine will produce.

    The only down side at the moment is the price of Diesel, however, I am willing to pay the <20% difference when I am getting nearly twice the economy of an Australian six.

    I would love to know why diesel is dearer than petrol, yes I know that there has been an increase in the quality, therefore the production cost and that there is currently less demand for diesel. This does not answer the fact that petrol is more highly refined than diesel.

    Go Diesel


    Revz

    306XT
    406HDi
    GSXR1100J

  23. #23
    1000+ Posts PeterT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2000
    Location
    Castle Hill, Sydney
    Posts
    7,552

    Icon5

    Quote Originally Posted by Pooh306
    BDG,

    I would love to know why diesel is dearer than petrol,
    Go Diesel
    I heard because of the greatly increased demand lately in the Asian market.

    One of those 2L HDi 307's with a Quaife ATB would be a fantastic vehicle.

    '92 205 Mi16
    '90 Mi16x4

  24. #24
    BDG
    BDG is offline
    Tadpole BDG's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Born&raised in melbourne
    Posts
    26

    Icon14

    The crude oil on which the pricing is based for petroleum products in australia ,is what in the oil business known as light crude ,which is not suitable for lube oil ,diesel ,or heating oil production . And as our prices are governed by world parity pricing ,we pay what the oil companies pay on the world market. Speak to your local sitting parlimentarian about this problem , liberal or labour. The % of cars on diesel production ,came directly from PEUGEOT in FRANCE.

  25. #25
    1000+ Posts Fordman's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Location
    Perth/West Australia
    Posts
    1,531

    Default And Petrol???

    Quote Originally Posted by BDG
    The crude oil on which the pricing is based for petroleum products in australia ,is what in the oil business known as light crude ,which is not suitable for lube oil ,diesel ,or heating oil production . And as our prices are governed by world parity pricing ,we pay what the oil companies pay on the world market. Speak to your local sitting parlimentarian about this problem , liberal or labour. The % of cars on diesel production ,came directly from PEUGEOT in FRANCE.
    You didn't include "petrol" in the products light crude is not suitable for, so I guess petrol is refined from light crude? Is this correct? I am trying to ascertain approximately what % of our petrol is obtained from Australian oil fields - just for interest - as I think the parity pricing is a crock - it makes Australia party to the OPEC cartel, and I always thought cartels were illegal in this country - but obviously not when it comes to big profits for thr oil companies.
    On re-reading your post, I realise you are not saying that light crude is from Australia, but that our pricing is based on light crude (from anywhere).
    But would you happen to know the answer to my query ( ie, % of our petrol obtained from local sources?).

    Cheers.

Page 1 of 2 12 Last

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •