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    Default F1 - Renault under investigation over brake system

    Racing Point have lodged protest against Renault, which FIA is investigating. The matter involves alleged use of automated brake system, or some claim automated brake bias system.

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    Renault penalized after Japan for using "driver aid" which appears to be preset brake balance that does not require driver input. I cant believe how stupid they are for a multi million dollar team with apparently many clever cookies working on their team, but they provided the evidence that got them convicted via the in car camera. Racing point viewed the footage and saw the brake balance indicator change without input from the driver. If your going to push boundaries, don't film it, they know where the cameras are, geez one could use a dummy indicator for the benefit of the camera, how hard is that..

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    The stewards found that Haas's protest was invalid and that the entire braking system complied with the FAI regulations. What is not clear then, is why they took the unusual step of declaring the system a driver aid and disqualifying Renault from the event, when clearly the system met all of the FIA's requirements. Using the stewards logic every button and feature on the steering wheel could be defined as a driver aid! The stewards seem to have been on the idiot soup for too long.....
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    Bring on driverless F1 cars
    This will save the teams a bucket of money

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    Quote Originally Posted by driven View Post
    Bring on driverless F1 cars
    This will save the teams a bucket of money
    And stop driver error
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    The stewards found that Haas's protest was invalid and that the entire braking system complied with the FAI regulations. ...
    Hi, that's not quite right, Kym.
    The stewards found the brake system did not "breach technical regulations", but did breach a different regulation, ie the prohibition on driver aids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    The stewards found that Haas's protest was invalid and that the entire braking system complied with the FAI regulations. What is not clear then, is why they took the unusual step of declaring the system a driver aid and disqualifying Renault from the event, when clearly the system met all of the FIA's requirements. Using the stewards logic every button and feature on the steering wheel could be defined as a driver aid! The stewards seem to have been on the idiot soup for too long.....
    I think you will find that if it is a knob/switch/lever/pedal that the driver activates, it is not a driver aid, if the car does it for the driver, it is not permitted. I think it all came about after the dramas with traction controls some years back.

    I don't think they would have been pinged for ti if they didn't leave the brake balance indicator/dial located in full view of the in car camera. Bit amateurish for what is supposed to be a multi million professional operation.
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    .................and they'd been using it for years without any problems because it all complied with the regulations, which still don't preclude the fitment of the system, but some coke heads in the FIA have made an "opinion" into a "disqualification". So much for written rules and "interpretations". Slater and Gordon would be all over this. Like the Confederation Against Motorsport, the FIA are their own worst enemy.
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    There probably a few bags of money changing hands somewhere along the line....
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