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    Default TCR racing 2019 thread.

    Thought a general thread for this might be good, seems very popular amongst our members.

    Kicking off with Round 2 at Phillip Island this weekend 7-9 June.

    Several new cars have arrived since round 1 in Sydney. Will be interesting to see how they look on the big Phillip Island track.

    This came through today - good video:

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    It will be on SBS both Saturday and Sunday.
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    Both Megane RS get 30 kg weight knocked off, if they can find it to remove!

    https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/06/03...w-weight-regs/
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    Activity at Phillip Island Grand Prix Circuit today: Started at 10:00 hrs:

    http://www.thenationals.com.au/live/
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    Qualifying Phillip Island 8/6/2019:

    Pos Driver Vehicle Fastest lap Gap
    1 Dylan O’Keeffe Alfa Romeo Giulietta 1:35.9877*
    2 William Brown Hyundai i30N 1:36.4730 0:00.4853
    3 Jason Bright Volkswagon Golf GTI 1:36.5163 0:00.5286
    4 Tony D’Alberto Honda Civic Type R 1:36.6621 0:00.6744
    5 John Martin Honda Civic Type R 1:36.7984 0:00.8107
    6 James Moffat Renault Megane RS 1:36.8276 0:00.8399
    7 Garth Tander Audi RS 3 1:36.8420 0:00.8543
    8 Nathan Morcom Hyundai i30N 1:36.8688 0:00.8811
    9 A. Heimgartner Subaru WRX STi 1:37.0280 0:01.0403
    10 Chris Pither Renault Megane RS 1:37.1067 0:01.1190
    11 Hamish Ribartis Audi RS 3 1:37.5637 0:01.5760
    12 Jimmy Vernon Alfa Romeo Giulietta 1:37.7329 0:01.7452
    13 Alex Rullo Holden Astra 1:37.9446 0:01.9569
    14 Leanne Tander Audi RS 3 1:38.3403 0:02.3526
    15 Molly Taylor Subaru WRX STi 1:39.4443 0:03.4566
    16 A. Whitley Volkswagon Golf GTI 1:40.0145 0:04.0268
    17 Chelsea Angelo Holden Astra 1:42.0753 0:06.0876
    18 Aaron Cameron Volkswagen Golf GTI 1:54.7304 0:18.7427


    The cars looked fast, which is great. I thought they might be lost on the big PI track. I always think a problem with "standard production" car racing is they just don't look fast.

    SBS covering Race 1 at 2.00pm AEST today.

    and Race 2 & 3 at 1.00pm AEST Sunday

    I think I'm becoming hooked!

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    TCR Phillip Island, Race One results:
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    Need to select the event eg Phillip Island then tabs will give you results from qualifying to race. Races 2 & 3 will be on Sunday

    https://www.tcraustralia.com/2019-results/
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    TCR Coverage is also available for those that missed it at SBS "On Demand", listed under "motorsports".......watch it at your leisure
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    Sunday - Phillip Island - Race 2 & 3.

    Couldn't have asked for more "action" than we saw today in these two races. Cold tyres and young gun drivers, leading to quite a few incidents. Interesting though with TCR, the cars seem to have moments of speed, when a backmarker can make it up the field, only maybe to drop back again a bit later. I cant remember seeing so much overtaking in an event. It seems the cars are small enough to easily go 2 abreast in corners, and sometimes 3, without drama (sometimes!), so overtaking is possible nearly everywhere.

    Moffatt and Pither did well in the Renault Meganes, I think they finished 5th and 7th in the final race, after Moffatt had lost it in a big way earlier in the day. Everything else being equal, the Meganes do look like they can be very competitive, but not yet quite up to the quickest cars in the field. Still work in progress to develop the Renaults.

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    My impression is that the TRC'a are more delicate, tha say V8 Supercars in that a very slight touch can send them gyrating at tangent to the arc. V8's seem to be able to handle a more of a rub often with a small flict of the rear end without excessive gyrations. Just my observation and view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FIVEDOOR View Post
    My impression is that the TRC'a are more delicate, tha say V8 Supercars in that a very slight touch can send them gyrating at tangent to the arc. V8's seem to be able to handle a more of a rub often with a small flict of the rear end without excessive gyrations. Just my observation and view.
    I think your observation concerns the major difference between V8 Supercars and TCR and that is that the TCR entries are front wheel drive. Almost none of the competitors had ever driven a front wheel drive car let alone raced one before starting this series, and it shows. Most of the damaged cars were able to continue in the following races, so I doubt they are actually fragile. Most of the TCR action appeared to happen during the early stages of the race with cold rear tyres, sudden rushes of blood to the head ending in disappointment for many!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    Most of the damaged cars were able to continue in the following races, so I doubt they are actually fragile.
    That's not what I was trying to say. The cars are light/fast and it seems very small tap unloads them when they are already loaded up for a turn. More so than the heavier V8.

    Apparently the tyre warming particularly the front tyres is very critical and yes, some of the driving, whilst great to watch, laks some finesse.
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    Rear tyre warming more critical I would say, the cars didn't understeer off.
    This corner isn't good for FWDs, it is where Greg Hansford was killed when he backed off in the Mondeo and was T boned by a 405.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fordman View Post
    Qualifying Phillip Island 8/6/2019:

    Pos Driver Vehicle Fastest lap Gap
    1 Dylan O’Keeffe Alfa Romeo Giulietta 1:35.9877*
    2 William Brown Hyundai i30N 1:36.4730 0:00.4853
    3 Jason Bright Volkswagon Golf GTI 1:36.5163 0:00.5286
    4 Tony D’Alberto Honda Civic Type R 1:36.6621 0:00.6744
    5 John Martin Honda Civic Type R 1:36.7984 0:00.8107
    6 James Moffat Renault Megane RS 1:36.8276 0:00.8399
    7 Garth Tander Audi RS 3 1:36.8420 0:00.8543
    8 Nathan Morcom Hyundai i30N 1:36.8688 0:00.8811
    9 A. Heimgartner Subaru WRX STi 1:37.0280 0:01.0403
    10 Chris Pither Renault Megane RS 1:37.1067 0:01.1190
    11 Hamish Ribartis Audi RS 3 1:37.5637 0:01.5760
    12 Jimmy Vernon Alfa Romeo Giulietta 1:37.7329 0:01.7452
    13 Alex Rullo Holden Astra 1:37.9446 0:01.9569
    14 Leanne Tander Audi RS 3 1:38.3403 0:02.3526
    15 Molly Taylor Subaru WRX STi 1:39.4443 0:03.4566
    16 A. Whitley Volkswagon Golf GTI 1:40.0145 0:04.0268
    17 Chelsea Angelo Holden Astra 1:42.0753 0:06.0876
    18 Aaron Cameron Volkswagen Golf GTI 1:54.7304 0:18.7427


    The cars looked fast, which is great. I thought they might be lost on the big PI track. I always think a problem with "standard production" car racing is they just don't look fast.

    SBS covering Race 1 at 2.00pm AEST today.

    and Race 2 & 3 at 1.00pm AEST Sunday

    I think I'm becoming hooked!

    This has nothing at all to do with standard production racing, cars wouldn't cost 400k if it was. Pity they are turbo, would sound a lot better naturally aspirated.

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    My understanding is that the cost of new cars without spares was around $200,000 as of middle of last year.
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    The class (TCR) is now worldwide and has spread to Asia, Oz and NZ. It is enormously popular in Europe and has a big future everywhere and particularly Australia because it is not based on V8 dinosaurs, but cars that the public can identify with because they drive one.

    The racing is eventful, close and unforgiving in general, except that safety cars allow major indiscretions to be overcome (BIG OFFS) by catching up to the tail of the field. I think the Virtual Safety Car where everyone has to hit 80 km/h on the governor wherever they are on the circuit and maintains existing gaps is much fairer in sprint racing.

    The BOP calculations and variations are also interesting, not so much penalising the driver, but the car. Here is the explanation: https://www.touringcartimes.com/2019...son-confirmed/
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAHAM WALLIS View Post
    This has nothing at all to do with standard production racing, cars wouldn't cost 400k if it was. Pity they are turbo, would sound a lot better naturally aspirated.
    I may not have worded my initial post correctly -
    "The cars looked fast, which is great. I thought they might be lost on the big PI track. I always think a problem with "standard production" car racing is they just don't look fast."

    I am aware these (TCR) are highly modified racers, and bear only a passing resemblance to the production model, similar to the Supercars category. But this is why they will appeal to the general public, the cars have to "look" fast. Whereas races for standard production cars, with all their virtues of representing the road-going models, generally look slow on a big track, relative to other categories on the day, in my opinion.

    As an enthusiast (and we are in a very small minority in the general public), I can appreciate an endurance race for standard production cars, but I can also appreciate the excitement of sprint races for fast, competitive racers, and I think TCR is giving us that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FIVEDOOR View Post
    My understanding is that the cost of new cars without spares was around $200,000 as of middle of last year.
    I think I saw the 400k figure in Auto Action, thrown that issue out now.

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    The Peugeot 308 TCR that no one has in oz yet is €109k. Add spares and running and I believe a figure around $400k to run a year sounds plausible, although maybe high. I guess that might cover all the costs of two cars, plus purchase.
    Unlike supercars, TCR cars retain the layout, shell, suspension design, and engine from the production model. Gearbox and electronics are the obvious differences, along with big bodykit and wheels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAHAM WALLIS View Post
    I think I saw the 400k figure in Auto Action, thrown that issue out now.
    Fair enough, but there seems fair bit of variation in the figures the 'experts' are quoting.

    "CostA TCR race car costs in the region of $200,000 excluding spares. Customers can expect cars to be imported to Australia within 10 days depending on the manufacturer"

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    I thought they might be lost on the big PI track. I always think a problem with "standard production" car racing is they just don't look fast."

    I agree, and I think the perception is in part due to the SBS coverage with the limited number of cameras they deployed.

    When incidents happened they couldn’t provide a “ big picture/long view “ of all that occurred. Multiple in car footage with a letter box view didn’t really add to the experience in my view.

    Having said that, I really appreciate that live motor sport is back on FTA tv. The series has a huge amount of potential. It’s appealing to me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by David M View Post
    Having said that, I really appreciate that live motor sport is back on FTA tv. The series has a huge amount of potential. It’s appealing to me!
    Unfortunately it is unlikely to stay on free tv for too long.


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    Quote Originally Posted by draftpunk View Post
    Unfortunately it is unlikely to stay on free tv for too long.


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    I'm interested to know why you think that? SBS has a long history of televising low key motor and bike racing, and they would welcome the sponsorship they receive from Carsales, Shannons and others, I'm sure. Incidentally, the cameras are the same ones that provide live streaming of the whole race meeting (not just the TCR races) through:Shannons Nationals TV ? Shannons Nationals where you can also watch it on repeat on your computer as well for the cost of a few bytes.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by draftpunk View Post
    Unfortunately it is unlikely to stay on free tv for too long.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    I'm interested to know why you think that? SBS has a long history of televising low key motor and bike racing, and they would welcome the sponsorship they receive from Carsales, Shannons and others, I'm sure. Incidentally, the cameras are the same ones that provide live streaming of the whole race meeting (not just the TCR races) through:Shannons Nationals TV ? Shannons Nationals where you can also watch it on repeat on your computer as well for the cost of a few bytes.......

    Yes, I think we will be fortunate to watch TCR on SBS at least for this year, and as Kim says, that and the other categories are also easy to watch on-line live.
    However, the reality is that if TCR becomes really popular, I believe it may be snaffled up by the more commercial interests in motorsport, eg, as support for Supercars events, which has already been talked about. I have had that suspicion from the start, considering that several teams, ie, GRM and Kelly Racing, are from Supercars, and that category are usually quite "protective" of their teams and anti "free trade".
    The other thing I have recently become aware of, is that Mr James Warburton has been appointed a non-executive director of ARG, the group managing TCR, and IIRC he was the driving force taking Supercars to Foxtel a few years ago.

    https://autoaction.com.au/2019/03/27...-ceo-joins-arg

    So I think they may just be biding their time, and when the time comes, things will change. However, that's not all bad, if they succeed in drawing larger crowds, then so be it, good luck to them. After all, it is still a rather high cost category, compared to many others. Maybe they will continue to grow as a separate group with an independent series, as they are now.

    Selfishly, and personally (as I don't mind Supercars anyway), now that the low cost Kayo online broadcast is available, I will continue to follow TCR anyway, even if they go the Foxtel route. But I sincerely hope that doesn't happen for a year or two, it is really good to be able to watch these relatively low-cost categories on free-to-air SBS, especially for us in the West who have been rather starved of these sort of events.

    Another 5 cars in the field would be good to see!

    Interesting times.

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