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    Toyota have a new engine for the Rally of Finland. Latvala said that whilst the HP is the same the torque delivery has improved making the car easier to drive

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    The opening stage Harju was run Thursday evening with Tanak setting the pace.



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    Last years winner, Meeke is under pressure as the team had him sit out the last rally due to string of mistakes. This is one rally where the driver needs full confidence and go flat out from the start, it will be interesting to see if he is in the right headspace to be in contention. He set the fastest times in testing Thursday morning.
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    Fin Teemu Suninen is driving one of the M-Sport Ford in Finland

    Lappi commented on Ogier that he seemed to have been off his game, as he had not set any fastest stage times for the last two rallies.

    SS1 Latvala made a mistake in the first corner of the SS1 and lost time to the leaders.


    SS2 on Friday

    1/ Sunninen
    2/ Meeke
    3/ Paddon
    4/ Latvala
    5/ Ogier
    6/ Breen
    7/ Tanak
    8/ Hanninen
    9/ Ostenberg
    10/ Evans
    11/ Lappi

    SS3

    1/ Latvala
    2/ Lappi
    3/ Suninen
    4/ Paddon
    5/ Tanak

    Ogier had some engine issues on SS3 that cost him some time.

    SS4

    1/ Lappi
    2/ Latvala
    3/ Ostberg
    4/ Suninen
    5/ Hanninen

    Tanak was leading the pack at the end of SS3 by 0.3 seconds, but in the first corner of SS4 he went wide, hit a rock, broke the drive shaft and lost 1.5 minutes.

    Unfortunately Ogier's problems got more serious and he lost a wheel 2 km before the end of SS4 and was unable to complete the stage. Ford seems to find it tough going here.

    Hayden Paddon ran wide hit a rock and damaged rear suspension

    Latavala commented after SS4 that it had been a difficult stage, being very slippery, but his time seemed ok.

    SS5

    1/ Lappi
    2/ Latvala
    3/ Ostberg
    4/ Breen
    5/ Suninen
    6/ Tanak
    7/ Meeke

    SS6

    1/ Lappi
    2/ Tanak
    3/ Ostberg
    4/ Latvala
    5/ Breen
    6/ Hanninen
    7/ Suninen
    8/ Meeke

    SS7

    1/ Lappi
    2/ Latvala
    3/ Ostberg
    4/ Evans
    5/ Suninen
    6/ Breen
    7/ Meeke
    8/ Hanninen
    9/ Tanak
    10/ Neuville

    At end of SS7 the leader board is:-

    1/ Latvala
    2/ Lappi +1.6 s
    3/ Ostberg +12.2 s
    4/ Breen + 0.4 s
    5/ Suninen
    6/ Hanninen
    7/ Meeke
    8/ Evans
    9/ Neuville
    10/ Sordo
    11/ Tanak
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    Marcus Gronholm entertaining the crowds at Harju

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    Quote Originally Posted by FIVEDOOR View Post

    Lappi commented on Ogier that he seemed to have been off his game, as he had not set any fastest stage times for the last two rallies.
    To be fair to Msr Ogier, even if you're the best, you still need the hardware to keep up with you if you want to thrash everyone. Just ask Snr Alonso. Seb Ogier was in such a 'groove' with VW until they pulled the rug. I reckon he is a little bit dirty on them about that.

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    Let's not forget that Ogier is still leading the points table and likely to remain so even after this rally regardless of how he performs, as long as Neuville doesn't climb to the front from his current 9th spot.

    Granted he has had some misfortune with equipment, but it was only two rallies ago (Italy) that he was beaten by his less fancied team mate Tanak (I think it was Tanak's first WRC win).
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    Toyota's new boy Lappi has been in hot form, setting fastest stage times on SS4/5/6/7/8/9/10/11/12. He took the lead from Latvala and has managed to hold the lead to end of SS13, which was Fridays last stage.

    Hanninen set some decent times but damaged his rear suspension and was forced to make some makeshift repairs to continue, he still managed 4th fastest times after makeshift repairs.

    SS8

    1/ Suninen - Ford
    2/ Hanninen
    3/ latvala
    4/ Lappi
    5/ Tanak


    SS9

    1/ Lappi
    2/ Latavala
    3/ Suninen
    4/ Neuville
    5/ Tanak
    6/ Hanninen - Hanninen was less that 5 seconds behind Lappi so it was tight among the stage leaders

    SS10

    1/ Lappi
    2/ Suninen
    3/ Latvala
    4/ Hanninen
    5/ Tanak
    6/ Evans
    7/ Neuville
    8/ Meeke

    SS11

    1/ Lappi
    2/ Suninen
    3/ Tanak
    4/ Breen
    5/ Ostberg
    6/ Hanninen
    7/ Evans
    8/ Latvala +3.2 seconds
    9/ Neuville
    10/ Sordo
    11/ Meeke

    SS12

    1/ Lappi
    2/ Latvala
    3/Ostberg
    4/ Tanak
    5/ Suninen
    6/ Breen
    7/ Neuville
    8/ Evans
    9/ Meeke
    10/ Hanninen

    SS13

    1/ Neuville
    2/ Tanak
    3/ Breen
    4/ Evens
    5/ Latvala
    6/ Suninen
    7/ Lappi
    8/ Ostberg
    9/ Sordo
    10/ Meeke
    11/ Hanninen +4.0 s

    Overall positions

    1/ Lappi
    2/ Latvala
    3/ Suninen
    4/ Breen
    5/ Hanninen

    It's been a while since the Finns have been this dominant, even in their home rally, 3 out of the four top places are currently held by Finns. Toyota's new boy Lappi has been able to claw his way to the lead and keep Latvala at bay.

    Lappi said in an inverview that it has been his dream since he was a little boy to win at Jyvaskyla and now that he is in the lead, he is speechless.

    Meeke bent his steering from rock impact but continued with damaged steering.
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    Latvala has hit the groove during the SS14 - SS17, setting the fastest time for SS in a row, taking the lead from Lappi.

    SS14

    1/ Latvala
    2/ Hannonen
    3/ Suninen
    4/ Lappi
    5/ Paddon
    6/ Evans
    7/ Tanak
    8/ Ostberg
    9/ Neuville
    10/ Breen
    11/ Meeke

    SS15

    1/ Latvala
    2/ Evans
    3/ Lappi
    4/ Hanninen
    5/ Suninen
    6/ Tanak
    7/ Ostberg
    8/ Meeke
    9/ Neuville
    10/ Breen

    SS16

    1/ Latvala
    2/ Lappi
    3/ Hanninen
    4/ Evans
    5/ Tanak
    6/ Breen
    7/ Neuville
    8/ Meeke
    9/ Sunninen
    10/ Sordo

    Ostberg finished the stage in 38th place after having an off and hitting a big rock damaging rear suspension and losing brakes.

    SS16 was the Ouninpohja. Evans' comment re the SS:- "It's an awesome stage," says Evans, eyes on stalks. "It's the kind of stage you think you should have gone faster. But it's an amazing stage."

    Neuville on his problem:- "I can't drive like this," he says. "I'm driving fast but I'm at the maximum. When we land it's bouncing and you lose control. The car is working well on every other rally, but Finland we are not aiming for victory."

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    Sunninen's car looked fine but appeared very tail happy and he lost some 20 s to Hanninen

    Meeke loses time although he knows the stage well, the car feels like a rear wheel drive to Meeke

    SS17

    1/ Latvala
    2/ Lappi
    3/ Tanak
    4/ Suninen
    5/ Suninen
    6/ Neuville
    7/ Evans
    8/ Hanninen
    9/ Meeke
    10/ Sordo

    The Finns continue to dominate the top four positions

    Leader board

    1/ Latvala
    2/ Lappi
    3/ Hanninen
    4/ Suninen
    5/ Evans
    6/ Breen
    7/ Neuville
    8/ Meeke
    9/ Tanak
    10/ Sordo
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    SS18

    1/ Latvala
    2/ Lappi
    3/ Suninen
    4/ Neuville
    5/ Tanak
    6/ Breen
    7/ Evans
    8/ Hanninen
    9/ Ostberg
    10/ Meeke

    SS19

    Latvava was driving well and increasing his lead on SS19, when the electrical gremlins left him stranded on the stage.

    1/ Lappi
    2/ Hanninen
    3/ Neuville
    4/ Meeke
    5/ Suninen
    6/ Evans
    7/ Tanak
    8/ Sreen
    9/ Ostberg
    10/ Sordo

    SS20

    1/ Suninen
    2/ Evans
    3/ Ostberg
    4/ Tanak
    5/ Lappi
    6/ Breen
    7/ Hanninen
    8/ Neuvile
    9/ Meeke
    10/ Sordo

    SS21

    1/ Evans
    2/ Tanak
    3/ Suninen
    4/ Neuville
    5/ Hanninen
    6/ Breen
    7/ Lappi
    8/ Ostberg
    9/ Sordo
    10/ Huttunen

    Leader board at end of Saturdays running

    1/ Lsppi
    2/ Suninen
    3/ Hanninen
    4/ Evans
    5/ Greem
    6/ Neuville
    7/ Tanak
    8/ Meek
    9/ Sordo
    10/ Osteberg

    Tanak has recovered to 7th after Saturday puncture.

    SS22 - The front runners have competed the first Sunday am stage SS19. Latvala was able to continue Sunday am after the electrical problems late Saturday

    1/ Latvala
    2/ Hanninen
    3/ Evans
    4/ Breen
    6/ Tanak
    7/ Lappi
    8/ Suninen
    9/ Neuville
    10/ Ostberg

    Leader Board - Lappi has nearly 50 seconds lead from nearest rival. Finns dominate the first three places with Toyota 1 and 2 with Ford in 3rd.

    1/ Lappi - Toyota
    2/ Hanninen - Toyota - +49.4 s
    3/ Suninen - Ford
    4/ Evans
    5/ Bren
    6/ Neuville
    7/ Tanak
    8/ Meeke
    9/ Sordo
    10/ Ostberg
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    Ogier retired after damaging his car. I assume it is this is the result of the heavy landing captured by the video in post # 6, but can not be certain, due to lack of specific detail.

    Both were taken to hospital. Co-driver was found to have had mild concussion, but otherwise both are fine

    Edit:- Ogier ran off the road backwards. The footage can be seen in video in post #15
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    Finnish fans got enthusiastic about their support of the drivers. No accidents were reported in this location.

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    Tanak's 49 m jump. Note the distance markers by the side of the road.

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    Some off's

    I doubt that you would find spectators anywhere that are more enthusiastic about their rallying. Note the speed with which they more to cars after crash and equipped with long rope to pull cars out.

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    NB. Despite the commentary on video, Ogier did not rejoin the rally due to co-driver concussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FIVEDOOR View Post
    If the car is in the air for 50+m, how much does it slow down compared with wheels down and power on for that distance?
    Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone............

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    If you want to keep the wheels on the ground, one has to slow down for the crest. I assume that would be even slower, or all the top runner would not be flying, due to inherent risks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FIVEDOOR View Post
    If you want to keep the wheels on the ground, one has to slow down for the crest. I assume that would be even slower, or all the top runner would not be flying, due to inherent risks.
    There must be an optimum time in the air for every yump, after which time is lost, surely. Some of the landings seen so far I think will prove to be "hard" as the event goes on....

    ESAPEKKA LAPPI is interesting. He saws on the wheel the whole time like the drivers of old, possibly to keep the car constantly unbalanced ready for the next change of direction.
    Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    There must be an optimum time in the air for every yump, after which time is lost, surely. Some of the landings seen so far I think will prove to be "hard" as the event goes on....

    ESAPEKKA LAPPI is interesting. He saws on the wheel the whole time like the drivers of old, possibly to keep the car constantly unbalanced ready for the next change of direction.
    The cars have to be set up right for the jumps/landings, at least one competitor this year was complaining of the way his car behaved when landing.

    The Finnish drivers know these stages like the back of their hands. Drivers like Tomi Makinen had one of the stages go past his front door. I think they have the optimum speeds pretty well figured out. I recall a story about Loeb asking one of the Finnish drivers what speed they took a particular jump, he was told flat out, which was not the case, but it was the Finns idea of a practical joke. The leaders rarely figure in the very longest jumps.

    I have said it before, but I think Lappi will be a future champion. Lappi was a Karting champion, the youngest winner of the Artic Rally, 2012 Finnish Champion and 2016 WRC2 champion. This is only his fourth rally in WRC car, but he won the Rally of Finland 2015 and 2016 in a WRC2 car. He appears to be different from Latvala in that he seems very level headed, displays very little emotion.
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    Marcus Gronholm, a former double WRC champion was doing some guest commentary on Red Bull TV yesterday and was literally astonished at the pace of some of the youngsters. When asked if he missed the action he responded in the negative, saying "they go too fast now!"
    Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone............

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    Up until last year, he was doing lot of testing for VW, he has done lot of recent km's in this years Polo (which never hit the tracks) he is still quick, not saying that he is as fast as the young one's, but I suspect in testing situation he would not be far behind them.

    Number of past Finnish champions have driven the Rally of Finland in the year they turned 50, almost sort of a tradition. He was asked if he would do it, his answer was flat no, as he has not driven to pace notes for a long time and that would be very difficult. He did say that if the opportunity rose to do the Rally of Sweden next year, as it is close to his 50 birthday, he would probably do that as it would be easier. Not sure why he said it would be easier, perhaps the lower speeds and the ability to lean on the banks around the corners.
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    Apparently this corner is well known to the local fans, some 2000 of them were reported to be gathered viewing this corner. Fifteen driver came to grief here, apparently the corner can be visually deceptive, hence the large number of incidents. It has been the same in previous years when this stage has been in use.

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