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    Quote Originally Posted by IWS View Post
    Not so fast! Sound, in simple terms, is a hearable noise. So the tree falling could have been heard, event though nobody was around to do so.
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    no i dont agree at all.
    it is your brain's ability to have the experience of hearing, that makes it 'noise'. absent you, it is just a pressure wave. even if you are present some pressure waves are of too high or low frequency for you to hear them, in which case there is no noise, despite a physical phenomenon and your presence.

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    Let's not forget gents, this thread isn't in the toad pond...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by renault8&10 View Post
    Let's not forget gents, this thread isn't in the toad pond...........

    G'day,
    we have the pace notes, a Melway is on the way, so it wont be long before we are there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexander View Post
    Great Scott! so you mean to tell me they didnt use Melways?? boy am i feeling like a chump...
    And looking like one with those answers

    Even I can see that lack of knowledge and experience coming through and I was never dedicated to motor sport as such

    Social enjoyable Club Competition, but most car clubs had more experienced devotees. Well worth listening to them and learning something before spouting off, then you won't look or sound like a argumentative pillock alex.

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    god help us

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexander View Post
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    back to the video, i was most amused by the fact that he is driving a race car on a public road on a non race day, and apparently quite quickly indeed, despite cyclists and cars on the wrong side of the road!
    An observant person would have possibly, not necessarily probably, have noticed the total lack of speed restriction signs, indicating that Tractions, 4CV's and cyclists could go as fast as they liked.....

    I don't think I missed any "serrez a droit" signs either!
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    and your point is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexander View Post
    and your point is?
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    the drivers know what they are doing ?
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    he's still in an unregistered race car on a road, and driving very fast in relation to regular cars and cyclists.
    just as well the audio device he is using is hands-free!

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    Ah, the good old days of rallying. I have to be honest and say as a driver, I was a much better navigator. Ambition outweighed ability, enough said.

    Personally, I preferred mapped events. It didn't matter how quick your car was, but if your navigator didn't know his/her left from his right and couldn't read a map without turning it upside down and being able to keep their lunch/dinner down, the team was stuffed.

    Or if you weren't competing, standing in the middle of a State Forrest freezing to death or eating dust whilst manning a start/finish control point, waiting for the cars to arrive.

    Speaking of cars, weren't there some classics,

    Dazdas - Datsun 1600's with rotary engines.

    1600's - with 2.2 and 2.4ltr motors moved so far back, the firewalls were cut and modified. Plus 5 speed gearboxes.

    There was a Fiat 850 in Brisbane, that had a Lancia Beta 2 ltr front wheel drive engine mid mount in the back passenger area. Plus numerous other niceties. Loosely based around a Lancia Stratos.

    Mazda RX7 running on LPG

    Datsun Stanzas with 4.2 (?) ltr Leyland alloy V8's

    XUI Toranas with the navigator sitting in the middle of the back seat area to put weight on the back wheels to help with traction.

    Then there were engineered cars that just defied logic, Murray Cootes 1200 Datsun coupe, Ray Vantisy's (?) Datsun 120Y and the list goes on.

    Then there was the fleet of weekend warriors in the wives shopping cars. Early Toyota Corrolas, Mazda 1300s, Leyland P76s, Cortinas and Escorts.

    The envy of everyone would be the guy who went out and bought a BDA Ford Escort with the works....

    Club events that had fields of up to 100 cars. Ah, yes the good old days.

    Not to mention, all done on a shoestring and a set of YOKOHAMA 'Y' tyres would last a good couple of rallies. Before you turned them around on the rims, to run on the opposite leading edge of the tread.

    I digress, time to go and put on the slippers and have a warm cup of Coco before going to bed. It is 9 PM after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    I've always said a good driver can drive fast without people telling them where or how fast to go. Here is a video of Mike Hawthorn doing his own pace notes amongst cyclists, pedestrians, cars and motor bikes at Le Mans in 1956.....

    Perhaps you should have picked another example, given Mike Hawthon died some three years later in a traffic accident.
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    good point! just after competing in some track race in the UK, i recall (from memory without checking with google. how old school is that??)

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    edit: proving the benefit of being a "wiki warrior" - it yields the correct answer.
    not just after a race, but was in britain. as we are pining for the fjords, and olden days, i was amused by this, relating to the crash, and his mate, overtaken whom he had just:

    There was inevitable speculation that Hawthorn and Walker had been racing each other, fuelled by Walker's persistent refusal at the coroner's inquest to estimate the speed of his own car at the time.[34] In an interview with motor racing driver Eoin Young and writer Eric Dymock in 1988, Walker admitted he had indeed been racing Hawthorn, but had been advised by a police officer investigating the accident to make no further mention of it lest he incriminate himself

    that's not the way it works these days. in fact, if that admission had been made in 2016, and not 1988, some special task force would be set up to investigate the admission and charge him with some crime, 50 years later. that is the way it works these days.
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    Policing in those days I believe was more about keeping the peace, than excessive paperwork.
    More discrenary shall we say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FIVEDOOR View Post
    Perhaps you should have picked another example, given Mike Hawthon died some three years later in a traffic accident.
    Using you logic, Ayrton Senna must have been a shit driver because he died in a circuit crash........
    Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone............

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    Also, Jim Reddiex's CX powered Citroen GS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dano View Post
    Ah, the good old days of rallying. I have to be honest and say as a driver, I was a much better navigator. Ambition outweighed ability, enough said.

    Personally, I preferred mapped events. It didn't matter how quick your car was, but if your navigator didn't know his/her left from his right and couldn't read a map without turning it upside down and being able to keep their lunch/dinner down, the team was stuffed.

    Or if you weren't competing, standing in the middle of a State Forrest freezing to death or eating dust whilst manning a start/finish control point, waiting for the cars to arrive.

    Speaking of cars, weren't there some classics,

    Dazdas - Datsun 1600's with rotary engines.

    1600's - with 2.2 and 2.4ltr motors moved so far back, the firewalls were cut and modified. Plus 5 speed gearboxes.

    There was a Fiat 850 in Brisbane, that had a Lancia Beta 2 ltr front wheel drive engine mid mount in the back passenger area. Plus numerous other niceties. Loosely based around a Lancia Stratos.

    Mazda RX7 running on LPG

    Datsun Stanzas with 4.2 (?) ltr Leyland alloy V8's

    XUI Toranas with the navigator sitting in the middle of the back seat area to put weight on the back wheels to help with traction.

    Then there were engineered cars that just defied logic, Murray Cootes 1200 Datsun coupe, Ray Vantisy's (?) Datsun 120Y and the list goes on.

    Then there was the fleet of weekend warriors in the wives shopping cars. Early Toyota Corrolas, Mazda 1300s, Leyland P76s, Cortinas and Escorts.

    The envy of everyone would be the guy who went out and bought a BDA Ford Escort with the works....

    Club events that had fields of up to 100 cars. Ah, yes the good old days.

    Not to mention, all done on a shoestring and a set of YOKOHAMA 'Y' tyres would last a good couple of rallies. Before you turned them around on the rims, to run on the opposite leading edge of the tread.

    I digress, time to go and put on the slippers and have a warm cup of Coco before going to bed. It is 9 PM after all.
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    This silly argument needs to be shifted to the pond.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAHAM WALLIS View Post
    This silly argument needs to be shifted to the pond.
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    G'day, we have the pace notes, a Melway is on the way, so it wont be long before we are there.

    G'day,
    we are on the way !
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    Agreed. Is "The Pond" listed in Melways but? Can people find it without pace notes? Stay tuned for the next episode of "I've never done it but I'm an expert!
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    G'day,
    we don't need a navigator, according to some.
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    Yes Graham,

    I forgot about Jims Cit.
    Remember watching him doing handbrake turns on a timber floor in an old warehouse on the Newstead wharf. He was testing a new electronic switching/brake gizmo he had conjured up. Pretty impressive the speed he could get up to over such a short distance.

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