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    Qualifying

    1/ Rosberg
    2/ Verstappen
    3/ Raikkonen
    4/ Vettel
    5/ Ricciardo
    6/ Perez
    7/ Hulkenberg
    8/ Bottas
    9/ Button
    10/ Massa
    11/ Grosjean
    12/ Mangussen
    13/ Gutierrez
    14/ Palmer
    15/ Sainz
    16/ Wehrlein
    17/ Nasr
    18/ Ocon
    19/ Kvyat
    20/ Ericsson
    21/ Hamilton

    Hamilton starts last due to Merc tactics related to their engine changes as discussed in another thread.

    Young Verstappen seems to be putting Ricciardo under some pressure.

    Williams seem to be struggling.

    Button got the McLaren Honda in the top ten and impressively the HAAS cars aren't far behind.

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    that wont have a positive effect on his attitude to racing in F1!
    i see Alonso got a "60 grid place" penalty. does that mean grid penalties carry over to the next races until the 60 places is 'used up'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexander View Post
    that wont have a positive effect on his attitude to racing in F1!
    i see Alonso got a "60 grid place" penalty. does that mean grid penalties carry over to the next races until the 60 places is 'used up'?
    No, that is why Merc introduced several power plant components as a tactical move, in the hope they will have enough engines for the rest of the year without incurring further engine penalties. Spa is the place to burn up the start grid penalties as you can pass on the track, as you can see from the race results, Hamilton came from the back of the grid and finished third, keeping his championship lead.

    Race results

    1/Rosberg
    2/ Ricciardo
    3/ Hamilton
    4/ Hulkenberg
    5/ Perez
    6/ Vettel
    7/ Alonso
    8/ Bottas
    9/ Raikkonen
    10/ Massa
    11/ Verstappen
    12/ Guitierrez

    Race full of drama. First lap incident involving at least Vettel, Raikkonen and Verstappen.

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    Verstappen came under critism for his manner of driving, couple of incidents involving Raikkonen

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    Post race interviews re incident






    Hamilton and Alonso recovered well from the back of the grid. Honda introduced new engine improvements, which they believed were worth .2 a lap. It seems that Honda have achieved some reliability and improved their speed.
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    No.
    The penalties are served once. All at once.
    So it becomes a strategy to potentially "sacrifice" one race to have have enough engines to last the rest of the season.
    When you have the most powerful engine (Mercedes) at Spa which is regarded as an easy overtaking circuit, it's a risk worth taking.
    In hindsight it paid off for Lewis who drove from the back of the field to end up on the podium.

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    Like many other fans, I can't see how 55 grid positions can be all used up in a single race with only 22 grid positions. Either the sport is run by lunatics or is competed in by idiots who can't count. For mine, Hamilton and Alonso should be serving out their penalties over however many races it takes to get rid of those grid positions, instead of making a joke of the intention of the rules. No-one is game to buck Bernie.....
    Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone............

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    Oh come now! there is methodological precendent: US courts sentence people hundreds of years in prison, and it is not as if american justice is run by lunatics!
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexander View Post
    Oh come now! there is methodolical precendent: US courts sentence people hundreds of years in prison, and it is not as if american justice is run by lunatics!
    You left out the smilie face, or would you like to reconsider that statement
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    haha normally i like to leave people to make up their own mind as to whether i am serious or not.



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    If we adopted similar approach, it might solve the problem of early parole
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    re Verstappen, he's immensely talented and will probably be world champ some day,
    but at times he's a petulant teenager convinced of his immortality and well on the
    way to the sort of self-privileging behaviour Senna and Schumacher practised:
    "I'm the Lord of the Dance here, get out of my way you unworthy fools!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by lozenge View Post
    re Verstappen, he's immensely talented and will probably be world champ some day,
    but at times he's a petulant teenager convinced of his immortality and well on the
    way to the sort of self-privileging behaviour Senna and Schumacher practised:
    "I'm the Lord of the Dance here, get out of my way you unworthy fools!"
    Funny you should say that, I can recall many calling Senna dangerous back in the day and I thought at the time that he would kill himself with the risks he took. He was immensely talented, capable of often driving around problems, but sometimes that meant greater risk. I hope history will not repeat itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lozenge View Post
    re Verstappen, he's immensely talented and will probably be world champ some day,
    but at times he's a petulant teenager convinced of his immortality and well on the
    way to the sort of self-privileging behaviour Senna and Schumacher practised:
    "I'm the Lord of the Dance here, get out of my way you unworthy fools!"
    well said, on all counts.
    i'd not previously seem verstappen speaking, and was a bit surprised at his rather unconcilatory attitude.
    very much like schumacher, but without the smile and charm.

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    as a general thought, it is remarkable how frequently there is one person standing out above the rest, even at the pinnacle of world competitions. in car racing, senna was one, then schumacher. in WRC, loeb creamed them all for 8 years, now ogier is doing the same. bolt in sprinting. etc. considering the number of people vying to be the best, and in F1, many or most of them have won other championships to get there, it is surprising that one individual can be that much better.
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    team colors, too!
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    FIA have called a meeting with Vettel and Raikkonen to discuss Vernstappen's driving style before the Monza race. I'd love to be a fly on the wall.
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    Verstappen’s still doing what he did in F3 – Ocon

    Verstappen's still doing what he did in F3 - Ocon F1 Fanatic
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    i think schumacher showed that you can drive just on the wrong side of transgressing the unwritten law, as long as you are a winner.
    if you do it when you are an also-ran, you will cop stick over it. so, Over To You, Max. see whether he can drive well enough to support his attitude.

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    If it's an unwritten Law, it cannot be transgressed, because it has no legal authority, not being recorded anywhere.
    Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone............

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    such narrow thought processes....

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    I'd call it differently. What you assume is an unwritten law is not endorsed un any legal way by the FIA or anyone else. It was therefore NOT a law, so Schumie didn't get away with "breaking" it! An eye for detail is what distinguishes successful legal practitioners from the rest......
    Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Luck View Post
    If it's an unwritten Law, it cannot be transgressed, because it has no legal authority, not being recorded anywhere.
    Drats and I thought that

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    I think you'll find that common law doesn't apply to F1..........and I reckon common law is just about non- existent in Oz, far too inconvenient for the authorities!
    Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone............

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    I think you will find lot of the old common law is now in statutes in Oz.
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