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    David Reynolds was handed a 25k fine by V8 Supercar management for a comment made during a press conference yesterday.

    The comment referred to the car driven by the all female pairing of Simona de Silvestro and Renee Gracie which he referred to as the 'pu$$y wagon'...

    They are all effectively team mates in the prodrive garage.

    He released a statement a few minutes later appologising for his comment.

    Is 25k a reasonable fine? I thought it was a bit OTT.

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    It not really about the act, more as a statement towards acseptence of female involvement in the sport, bit rough for Reynolds but I think it sends a good message.
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    25K fine for David Reynolds....-iu.jpg

    Is this the same sport where we see scantily clad women on the pit lane?

    What a joke this action is.

    They might need to look in the mirror.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Codman View Post
    It not really about the act, more as a statement towards acseptence of female involvement in the sport, bit rough for Reynolds but I think it sends a good message.
    Codman, how does the above image fit the 'message'???


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    Quote Originally Posted by jo proffi View Post
    Codman, how does the above image fit the 'message'???


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    "pussy wagon" is verbally crude, and overall sounds derogatory.
    the presence of attractive women lacks both of those elements.

    anyone in front of a camera should realise that doing the 'right thing' eg not coming across as insulting women, is critically important in the 21st century. furthermore, if outfits like V8 Supercar management dont respond with something non trivial, then they get criticised too. so whatever one thinks about the expression personally, seems to me that the response is entirely appropriate and necessary, pragmatically speaking.
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    It fits a message that the organization will not tolerate derogatory comments upon woman involved in the sport.

    As for scantily clad women, not that I particularly agree with it, it's a marketing technique. Do not try and tell me that there isn't a difference between that, and "allowing" a fellow driver to belittle a team based on gender
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    Quote Originally Posted by Codman View Post
    It fits a message that the organization will not tolerate derogatory comments upon woman involved in the sport.

    As for scantily clad women, not that I particularly agree with it, it's a marketing technique. Do not try and tell me that there isn't a difference between that, and "allowing" a fellow driver to belittle a team based on gender

    Ok, I understand, even though you didn't realy answer my question.

    It is ok in the name of marketing to present a derogative image that some would call exploitation or vulgarity, but you cant take the piss verbaly (even if it is to what i supect would be mates)

    I think I prefered the 1970's.



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    Well I guess I may have too.
    Please don't miss understand me, I think there is a Long way to go for woman in sport, and this does seem a bit silly in the larger picture, However I don't think it would have been appropriate for them to do nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Codman View Post
    Well I guess I may have too.
    Please don't miss understand me, I think there is a Long way to go for woman in sport, and this does seem a bit silly in the larger picture, However I don't think it would have been appropriate for them to do nothing.
    Agreed!!

    The irony is, I would never of heard about the pu$$y wagon if the motor sport body gave a more appropriate response.
    Something tells me this name is now going to stick, in purely an unofficial context of course.

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    Both the women in bikinis, and the women driving the car have made a choice to be involved, and both groups would know that being admired (for looks &/or skill) comes with the territory.

    However in making that choice they should not be expected to sign up for sexist abuse - in both cases the race track is their work-place, and they should not have to tolerate what is in essence a form of bullying.

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    ... and then his comment about 'a pad change with wings'.

    Tacky.
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    I don't get it at all. Pussy waggon is the sort of mild expression the girls I know would dream up for themselves. What's derogatory, let alone deeply offensive, to any normal person?

    Sexism? Bullying? Garbage.
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    $25k too much? David, his team and many of his competitors might choose their words with a little more caution in future.

    The owners of the race know full well the only real way to expand their audience is to reach out to women. I imagine sexism probably runs counter to that objective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exfrogger View Post

    The owners of the race know full well the only real way to expand their audience is to reach out to women.
    Hmm, Interesting idea.

    And as everyone knows, woman just love the sight of a younger better looking women in minuscule amounts of clothe nearly as much as they like watching a rev head in a V8 go round and round and round and round and round and round a round track.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pgti6 View Post
    ... and then his comment about 'a pad change with wings'.

    Tacky.
    boy that is really tacky.

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    Massive massive crash for Chas Mostert in qualifying. The car is f'd. It took out a marshal cage too. Hopefully the marshalls got out ok.
    http://youtube.com/v0mdAkSpzJc
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    Quote Originally Posted by seasink View Post
    I don't get it at all. Pussy waggon is the sort of mild expression the girls I know would dream up for themselves. What's derogatory, let alone deeply offensive, to any normal person?

    Sexism? Bullying? Garbage.
    The name has a somewhat different connotation

    Beware coarse language in the link

    Urban Dictionary: Pussy Wagon

    One such vehicle is featured in the Quentin Tarantino movie "Kill Bill" as well the name used the movie Grease,

    Referring to a person's vehicle as a mobile place for sex, and implicating the driver in the act seems pretty offensive to me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by alexander View Post
    boy that is really tacky.
    And the bogan radio presenters audibly winced. On Triple M/Bogan of all things.
    Reynolds needs to quickly to have a training course in 'brain activate before talking' training.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jo proffi View Post
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    And as everyone knows, woman just love the sight of a younger better looking women in minuscule amounts of clothe nearly as much as they like watching a rev head in a V8 go round and round and round and round and round and round a round track.


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    Not sure its all that clear cut, Jo.

    Who watches the extreme makeover shows, the Dragon's Blood infomercials or buys the women's magazines, or buys onto the beauty myth in general? The feminist perspective on beauty pageants is not positive but more than a 2.5 million women a year in the US participate and I would imagine the audience is predominantly women too.

    I think its wrong to assume the sight of scantily clad women is unappealing to many women. (In fact, many of the women I knock about with would be positively turned on by the sight of the bikini girls trackside and switch off when the flag falls - but that probably says more about the company I keep...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mistareno View Post
    Massive massive crash for Chas Mostert in qualifying. The car is f'd. It took out a marshal cage too. Hopefully the marshalls got out ok.
    http://youtube.com/v0mdAkSpzJc
    Huge crash, looks like he either turned in bit early or the rear stepped out just before he clipped the first wall.

    Mosert had broken wrist and broken leg. Five marshals injured, one requiring trip to the hospital but he said to be in stable condition

    No wheels left on the car or much else for that matter. It rode very high on the wall. Could have been much worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FIVEDOOR View Post
    Huge crash, looks like he either turned in bit early or the rear stepped out just before he clipped the first wall.

    Mosert had broken wrist and broken leg. Five marshals injured, one requiring trip to the hospital but he said to be in stable condition

    No wheels left on the car or much else for that matter. It rode very high on the wall. Could have been much worse.
    less competition for the pussy wagon..

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    Icon14 How you run and promote teams and professional pride is important.

    I think that Seasink was near the mark, I have worked and been in charge of different teams that are very competitive, and often for different operational reasons you would have male team and a female team of investigators. In my experience the women really get right into the challenge of running their own "team" and as a boss you do get to pick up some of the argy bargy that goes on in each team and I can tell you that a female team operating in what was traditionally a man's world can be very crude and to the point in their nick names for each others teams.

    As a Boss you are acutely conscious of the fine line that must be maintained lest professional banter cross that fine line with adverse effects. You need to be prepared to step in, sometimes it is just a gentle reminder that we should not travel further in that direction, and appropriate for both males and females to restate where that line should be in the workplace.

    The minute that fines or penalties or punishment, or even threats to impose, you lose the goodwill of teams and the issue polarizes and can be a poisonous problem that dogs the professional pride and friendly competition between teams, the issue is pushed underground, but it is still there! and resentment building, so even if you combine teams, you get snide comments, bigoted sniping and poor team performance in integrated teams.

    The other problem that can arise is individuals trying to outdo each other with rude crassness bordering on naked bullying.

    I prefer the quiet word in the right place at the right time. Sometimes years after that quiet word, you will get feedback from the individuals as to what effect your carefully chosen words had on them at the time. When that comment is positive and it changed something, or produced a good effect, you know you made the right decision and spoke the right words.

    I have some misgivings at the large fine imposed as there are many facets in dealing with inappropriate comments and maintaining professional cohesion in a competitive environment, knee jerk, covering your own ar*se, bad leadership, failure of corporate image makers to develop professional guidelines, all come to mind.

    Time will tell if the base problem is dealt with or it is still there but masked with PC statements? Something you will find in boardrooms and the way corporate spin doctors talk to each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenfuego View Post
    I think that Seasink was near the mark,
    let me give you a heads-up; whatever you think about these comments, you and seasink are in a small, and diminishing minority in society on the issue.

    i dont see how the concept of "PC" comes into the picture here. "PC" is about not stating morally awkward truths. the issue here is about expressing a fundamental lack of respect for people because they are girls. by the sound of the brief words on tv from the aussie girl, they get that quite a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexander View Post
    let me give you a heads-up; whatever you think about these comments, you and seasink are in a small, and diminishing minority in society on the issue.

    i dont see how the concept of "PC" comes into the picture here. "PC" is about not stating morally awkward truths. the issue here is about expressing a fundamental lack of respect for people because they are girls. by the sound of the brief words on tv from the aussie girl, they get that quite a bit.
    I see that the depth of your experience, or lack of it, comes through - the lonely loner that has no experience whatsoever with how the real world operates - pack it in alexander your faux moralising just confirms what we already know. and it is that lack of experience in the real world that reveals your inability to see real issues and more importantly how to deal with real issues yourself in a responsible way.

    Obviously you know little about the real world of competitive women and sport. the way they really conduct themselves. The real world is not the fantasy object that you rattle on about while trying to build some façade that you probably don't believe in anyway - all done to re-invent alexander on the internet, something you have attempted to do so many times - project a different invented personality.

    Oh the world of tilting at windmills, beliefs, and faux moral outrage and it is that shallow reactive but not effective grandstanding that I see in the whole incident under discussion. And I don't in any way condone the words or conduct, that should have been addressed well before the incident, by those controlling promoting those teams and competition.

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