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  1. A DS would be an ideal car for touring and like the Traction is a French icon. I owned a number of them new or a few years old in the UK and reliability was never an issue. However, like the Traction, you are expecting a lot to be driving 10k a year on 50+ year old machinery. They both need maintenance every few thousand kms and the need for adjustment of ignition and carburation of the époque would not be acceptable in today's cars.
    A DS today can be very tired and to get one so well restored as to set he clock back to the 1960's expect to pay at least 20k.
    Anoher factor with both cars is the cost of tyres. The rears last for ever but the fronts are good for 40k and will set you back 600 Euros on the DS.
    That DS is an ID, the spartan version with minimal hydraulic assistance. The interior trim looks tired and the engine smoky. A car for restoration probably.
  2. Gerry - Fixed that spelling mistake - thanks!

    This has all come as a bit of a surprise to me - I didn't expect to be buying a second car so soon, but better to have more work than we were expecting than no work at all! We're probably looking at spreading 10,000km a year over the two vehicles

    I keep looking at later Citroen - we copuld probably get away with replacing Célestine from time to time with a DS of some sort (maybe this one, even) , but the question of reliability has me a bit spooked. I know they can't be as bad as the reputation thay have in Australia (can they?) but these things lodge in the brain.

    Simon
  3. I just noticed that you spelt the name of
    André Lefèbvre
    incorrectly in you description of Célestine !
  4. Yes, just like that or better still the previous model. They were at the top of the market in their day whilst the Pug was more middle market. Their image was damaged in the War and Peugeot became a shareholder.
    http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotchkiss
    and

    The Gazoline article is as usual a good guide to buying and restoring.
  5. Bonjour Simon,
    They had a reputation for being a very reliable car but apart from the headlights inside the calandre there is nothing very special about them. If you look at the Depanoto catalogue for the 202 you can see that all the major mechanical parts are available. Gear boxes and back axles are not easy to fix - parts are rare and the body panels ..... you are in the hands of panel beaters to re-manufacture. They are very rare in the casses now and anyway would be rusted out. It's is a low risk second car in my view.
    If I was in the tour business I would try and find a Hotchkiss of the era - very classy interior, smooth ride and posh.
    A pre war panhard with a sleeve valve 6 would by even better but 20 times the price of the 202.
    Buy this article
    http://gazoline.net/documents/article.pcgi?art=658
  6. Hi Gerry

    Time has come for me to buy a second car for the business - we are reaching our targets for clients and I am thinking we need an insurance car just in case the Traction is in the garage

    I am thinking about a Pug 202 http://www.leboncoin.fr/voitures/201532424.htm?ca=7_s, mainly because they are inexpensive (and the right sort of image for a 2nd car). Trouble is I am having trouble finding out anything about them - there just doesnt appear to be the literature that exists about the Traction.

    Any Ideas?

    Simon
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