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    I would like to hear peoples opinions of either organisation as they seem to be competing against each other for our motor sport $$$.

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    I've competed at events run by both and there's no noticable difference.

    A fellow competitor is a lawyer specialising in insurance and he's satisfied with AAA insurance coverage.

    If you're going to get a competition licence, get a CAMS one and AAA recognise it at their events, not the other way round though...

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    Originally posted by McPug
    I've competed at events run by both and there's no noticable difference.

    A fellow competitor is a lawyer specialising in insurance and he's satisfied with AAA insurance coverage.

    If you're going to get a competition licence, get a CAMS one and AAA recognise it at their events, not the other way round though...
    By law, they must recognise an AAA licence of equal stature...

    This is under the Trade Practices Act... as proved by Bob Jane in the Supreme Court about twelve years ago.

    I think there are advantages with AAA, but there will for some time be clubs who stick with the CAMS.

    We have a previous thread on the subject...

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    Perhaps this has something to do with the $15 drop in the 2S license fee for 2004, i received my renewal notice today, and was pleased as i was expecting another rise.
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    Yes, indeed... the CAMS are going all out to make it appear they are trying to do the right thing.

    But they have several obstacles there...

    For a start, they have a $100,000 excess on every insurance claim. So far this year, I believe there are about five significant claims. That's potentially half a million... and the year's only half over!

    And that excess has to cover the legal costs too... even if it's the insurance company demanding that they take it to court.

    Talking to a CAMS Steward the other day, even though he's been a CAMS man for over forty years, he was totally disenchanted with the organisation and their wasteful ways.

    Maybe they will learn to pull their belts in a bit?

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    the question remains can the AAA run FIA events, or international events that are run under the FIA flag? And does FIA recognise AAA.

    I have heard that in the 80's all of the touring drivers have signed a petition refusing to race under CAMS, FIA just replied, "fine, dont race".

    Until AAA gets FIA approval we are only talking club level racing at best. And that isnt were the money is to run organisation like that.

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    Remember that AAA's purpose, the reason it exists, is to give lower level motor sport a fair and equitable pricing so that more people can become involved.

    It's been started by circuit owners to help ensure circuit usage levels remain high... therefore it's not a part of their plan to hob-nob with the FIA.

    But if they continue with the present level of success, I can see CAMS going under and somebody's got to take their place!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tekkie
    the question remains can the AAA run FIA events, or international events that are run under the FIA flag? And does FIA recognise AAA.

    I have heard that in the 80's all of the touring drivers have signed a petition refusing to race under CAMS, FIA just replied, "fine, dont race".

    Until AAA gets FIA approval we are only talking club level racing at best. And that isnt were the money is to run organisation like that.

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    you can't be serious?

    Its blokes like you and me at the club level that keeps most of the Australian tracks open. They will be lucky to get 1 V8 supercar round a year and that the extent of professional racers in this country. The rest of the year is taken up by club level racing.

    Cams have had a monopoly on motor sport in this country for too long and we need a company like AAA to spark some competition to reduce costs and red tape that currently exists.

    Iím all for it!

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    Further information on the AASA (Australian Auto Sport Alliance) as it is now known. Can be obtained from:-

    Mick Ronke (President)
    Ph: 03 5766 4235
    Who i believe is the operator of Winton Raceway in Victoria.
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    Cal and I are wanting to get more involved in the "Save Lakeside" and I was wondering if AAA have been involved up to this stage? It's my understanding talking to Cal that one of the problems facing Lakeside is the safety of the track and it being able to get insurance for future events? Is it true that Cams are stating that it is not safe to hold motor sport events?

    Is it possible to get AAA more involved with the pursuit to breath life back into one of the best tracks in Australia?

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    Neil,

    I am all for alternative to CAMS, and like yourself would love to see organisation more dedicated to club level racing. But at the same time such organisation cannot possibly survive on good will alone. The basics of economy would have to come into play, and since club level racing would not possibly bring in the large amounts of dollars. I was asking where is the money coming from?

    I like the safety structure CMAS has erected so far for the events, and the relatively few serious incidents considering weekly number of cars racing stands as their testimony. As long as that remains as is, or becomes even better, I am all for it.
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    Seeing as AAA is actually circuit owners, I can't see them taking any active interest in fostering the rebirth of Lakeside... though I'm sure that if such a thing took place, they'd be delighted to help with sanctioning.

    Another point on this is the proposed circuit safety standard that is being put before the Federal Government, which might allow things to pass more smoothly - or might not.

    tekkie... on the dollars side of CAMS, it's really a problem of their excesses in spending that creates their higher charges. Sending people all over the country with airline tickets and motel bills to be paid for out of promoters' income.

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    i not sure if they set out to be a competitor, but competition can only be good.

    i feel AAA is just the thing for beginners like myself. no fines. should encourage a lot more ppl to get out on the track. increases the fun factor.

    good on them!

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    It's now up to the clubs at grass roots level, to overcome their fear of Cams reprisals, and start hiring the tracks, at the cheaper rates.
    From researching the net, it seems the AASA. is miles away from their own licensing system. Here in Vic.

    Both Calder and Winton can be hire for a days practice Calder is Wednesdays $160 9am-4pm scrutineering 8am.
    Winton is somewhat cheaper, how ever with petrol cost, to get there it works out the same. To my knowledge no timing is available at these sessions, but Ambulance & full safety equip is.
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    Wakefield Park has had such permits and Licences basically since it opened. When wakefield first opened it didn't have a CAMS track licence initally dur to some extreme requirements of CAMS when viewed from the grass roots level motor racing.And as Gary Wilmington who appears on the Board of AAA is now in control of the track I guess it will continue.

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