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    i saw this advertised on telly the other night
    now how much of a backhand does the g'ment get from toyota to have this car on the road here
    i can bet if the french tried this they would get a flat NO

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    I must be missing something here, what's the Government to do with the Prius being here?

    You've been able to buy a Honda Insight for years. Then again, nobody really wanted to in that time
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    Quote Originally Posted by rek
    I must be missing something here, what's the Government to do with the Prius being here?

    You've been able to buy a Honda Insight for years. Then again, nobody really wanted to in that time
    the g'ment misses out on getting tax from oil
    hence the dislike for electric cars
    that's how i see it anyway
    otherwise they would have been here years ago
    especially in the cities like other countries have
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    Quote Originally Posted by pugrambo
    the g'ment misses out on getting tax from oil
    hence the dislike for electric cars
    that's how i see it anyway
    otherwise they would have been here years ago
    especially in the cities like other countries have
    What cities have electric cars to any reasonable degree?

    I think it's fair to say Toyota, like it or not, does contribute a bit to the Australian economy. The notion that none of the French marques would be able to bring an electric car here I find just ridiculously cynical. What basis do you have to make such an assertion?

    I don't think there's been any kickback given by Toyota to the government. The only donation made to the Liberal Party, was $2000 by Chatswood Toyota. As a political donation, $2000 is mere chicken feed. I doubt $2000 from a mere Toyota dealer, not Toyota HQ, swayed them. You can search to your hearts content here http://search.aec.gov.au/annualreturns/

    I don't think you'd see any real resistance to Toyota bringing electric cars here - do you really think these cars would have any effect on tax revenue from petrol excise? Volvo brought its natural gas S70 out several years back without issue. I doubt they wield huge influence in the corridors of Parliament House. The Government would be missing out on their beloved petrol excise there too!

    I just find the notion that there is somehow some impropriety in regards to the sale of the Toyota Prius in Australia absolutely incredible. This is really something I'd expect from the loony bin conspiracy theorists

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    Quote Originally Posted by rek
    I must be missing something here, what's the Government to do with the Prius being here?

    You've been able to buy a Honda Insight for years. Then again, nobody really wanted to in that time
    Have you ever tried to look through the back of one?

    The rear vision is like sitting in your letterbox and trying to look through the slot!

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    My friend Andreas works at Toyota. The Goverment instrumentalities made it very hard for Toyota to bring the Prius here - about three years of obstruction.

    As the Prius uses regenerative brakes and center mounted instruments, they had to get waivers for both, despite both being in the interests of the driver.

    Toyota have some other scams though - they used to import the V6 engines used in a goodly part of their range for twice their actual value. This enabled Toyota to make a nice (little) loss every year, and move the profit back to Japan where corporate tax is lower.

    Toyota sell a lot of Landbarges and Prattos to every Prius. I think hybrids are the way of the next few years - they reduce fuel consumption and emissions by 40-50%, so in Europe and here where fuel is more expensive than the US, hybrids make a lot of sense.

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    i could be wrong but don't they run a lot od electric or petrol/electric cars in switzerland ??
    i think the g'ment cars for the lowly office workers run around in them
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    It's Motor Trend's Car of the Year for 2004.
    http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...12_031120_coy/

    Do the French have any ecological cars on the market over in Europe, such as electric, hybrid or eco fuel vehicles (ie. non diesel/petrol cars)? I'm not aware of any widely available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rek
    You've been able to buy a Honda Insight for years. Then again, nobody really wanted to in that time
    I see one every week in a carpark ... never seen the owner though, I'd love to ask them for a drive (even as a passenger) just to see what it's like.

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    AFAIK Peugeot sell an electric 106 in France.
    They also developed a diesel/electric hybrid 406, but I don't know if they sell it or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pug307
    It's Motor Trend's Car of the Year for 2004.
    http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...12_031120_coy/

    Do the French have any ecological cars on the market over in Europe, such as electric, hybrid or eco fuel vehicles (ie. non diesel/petrol cars)? I'm not aware of any widely available.
    A French company has devolped a car with zero emissions. Check it out: http://www.theaircar.com/

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    The whole ADR compliance issue with the Prius was just down to outdated ADR rules I thought, and simply took the usual buereacratic time to fix.
    The Prius is an amazing car to drive. I've driven the series 1 a bit and it is one of the most impressive pieces of engineering I have ever seen - it all works so seemlessly.
    Toyota have been building Prius at a huge loss globally in order to build a market for them ie gain the trust of the public. This is a huge effort on their part and something to be applauded.

    If I had the cash, I would own one for city commuting (with a big garage full of my toys for country runs and general playing )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haakon
    The whole ADR compliance issue with the Prius was just down to outdated ADR rules I thought, and simply took the usual buereacratic time to fix.
    Yes, I think this is the more likely explanation for the delay.

    In fact, most of the purchasers of Priuses (Prii?) and especially Insights have been to gov departments roped into "doing the right thing".

    Don't worry, the various goverments make so much money from taxing fuel, they'll just find a new way to tax electric cars - the increasing excise on biodiesel, and the mooted increase in excise on LPG being 2 examples of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XTC206
    I see one every week in a carpark ... never seen the owner though, I'd love to ask them for a drive (even as a passenger) just to see what it's like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DTwo
    Think slow, gripless 80's CRX with a digital dash
    mmmm ... I guess OK foir city crawling, but not much else, certainly doesn't sound like fun.

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    The Prius (especially the new one) is a much better effort than the Insight.
    I found the series 1 Prius to be quite nippy and very useable. The new one is meant to be as quick as any decent 1.8 litre fully petrol car and handles well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XTC206
    mmmm ... I guess OK foir city crawling, but not much else, certainly doesn't sound like fun.

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    Only if saving fuel is considered fun

    The insight is insanely good at that, the prius can't compete with the insight in that regard (although the prius is both practical and economical)

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