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    Default Lidar devices (hand held laser speed detection)

    The police have to pull you over to book you when using these devices?

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    Is this correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. 306
    The police have to pull you over to book you when using these devices?

    Is this correct?
    That doesn't mean that if you drive something that will beat their commondoors you can hoon off


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    they can ofcourse try to memorise the number plate.... then you can expect a letter inviting you to make a donation.
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    i think they took a pic of me on tueday doing 85kms in a 70 zone

    that will be my first fine ever,in 6yrs of driveing
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    Quote Originally Posted by jfn306
    i think they took a pic of me on tueday doing 85kms in a 70 zone
    Was your hair done ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfn306
    i think they took a pic of me on tueday doing 85kms in a 70 zone

    that will be my first fine ever,in 6yrs of driveing


    get that pug going John , go

    I think you may need another Wakefield de-stress session to get the speed demons out of your system.
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    I thought they had to make a positive identification of the driver car and all details when using this device. Basically that's what alot of anti-speed detection sites re NSW seem to say... but thought I'd see what people had to say on here.

    Radar they just take the plate and you get no warning...

    Camera they have a sign for you to see as your passing

    and Lidar thay get you from front on and to enforce there reading they must pull you over. If you decide to run you make there dream come true and they get to chase you...
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    That doesn't mean that if you drive something that will beat their commondoors you can hoon off
    HA!!

    I know 2 people who have run from the coppers (RE; Not bright....)

    One in a supercharged corolla GTi, ran from a copper in a base model camry sedan..... And lost need I say more...........

    The other in a 351 powered TF cortina ran from a VT crummydore wagon, wasn't his fault it happened to be one of the few 225Kw 5.7L VT wagons (ie 0-100 in 5.??)............... No chance.....

    You'd have to be a little insane to bother...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. 306
    I thought they had to make a positive identification of the driver car and all details when using this device.
    Unlike most offences where the Police must prove who was responsible, offences under the Road Safety Act are reverse onus and require the owner of the vehicle to nominate a driver (if it wasn't them) or make reasonable enquiries as to who the driver was.

    I've been told the best way to beat the lasers is to wrap your car in silverfoil and smear the entire car with graphite grease.
    Try it, it probably wont work but it'll give the cops a good laugh

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistareno
    I've been told the best way to beat the lasers is to wrap your car in silverfoil and smear the entire car with graphite grease.
    Try it, it probably wont work but it'll give the cops a good laugh
    Aha, blind the police with sheer brilliance of the alloy foil covered car?

    I have to say I am at a loss why John (JFN306) was done by the camera, I was convinced the black 306's were immune to any sort of speed trap. Ghost cars so to speak. Me owning one for 2 years proved that beyond reasnoable doubt... until now... it was a strong selling point as well. Im soo dissillusioned in the Peugeot.

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    Originally posted by tekkie
    .....then you can expect a letter inviting you to make a donation.
    The first letter, as mistareno says, will be a demand for you to expose the culprit.

    The demand (never an invitation...) for a contribution follows either when you squeal on your mate or refuse to.

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    From what I've read speed detection devices do find black cars harder to get an accurate speed reading from, for maxinum effect a matt finish will make it even harder to accurately detect.

    The Police are also meant to record you at a constant speed for 3 seconds before booking you. I'm not sure what this means for the speed you'd be booked at if rapidly accelerating or braking hard and 3 seconds later still being over the limit...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. 306
    The Police are also meant to record you at a constant speed for 3 seconds before booking you. I'm not sure what this means for the speed you'd be booked at if rapidly accelerating or braking hard and 3 seconds later still being over the limit...
    Only on Radars.
    With a laser, when your done your done...

    Also with a Radar, they can only get oncoming and departing traffic, and they will usually give a SLOWER reading than the speed you are going due to the angle they are on.

    The closer to a right angle they are to you, the closer to your actual speed they will record.

    If they kept a radar on you as you went past, and you were doing 100kph, it would go from 100kph down to 0kph for a split second and then start climbimg up towards your actual speed again as you move away from the radar. This is why cops sit in the middle of the road It gives them a straight line of read so as to get the highest (most accurate) possible speed reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XTC206
    Was your hair done ?

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    my hair was done it but they was someone else in my car at the time thats why i was speeding
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    Does that mean you can speed up as you go past them???
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    Theoretically you could be doing any speed you want when your direction of travel is perpendicular (90 deg) to the radar beam as there would be no Doppler shift and therefore no speed reading. As the angle decreases as you go past, the speed registered will increase to your actual vehicle speed when it is at 0 deg, i.e. looking directly at you from either in front or behind.

    Does anyone know what the percentage error is on the static and mobile radar systems the police use?


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    A little bit off topic, but does anyone know whether radar detectors are still available from WA and are they keeping up with the latest police technology? ie are they undetectable and do they actually work. With half the police force sitting on the side of the road nowadays, they could potentially save you a lot of money (TAX). Cheers all
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    What is the range on those things in vic???
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    Quote Originally Posted by mistareno
    I've been told the best way to beat the lasers is to wrap your car in silverfoil and smear the entire car with graphite grease.
    Try it, it probably wont work but it'll give the cops a good laugh

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    Quote Originally Posted by cornernote
    hehe, useful having an insider like mistareno, giving us false info

    And i was going to try that, ugh..
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    Quote Originally Posted by cornernote

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    Don't any of you guys watch mythbusters ...... The only thing that beat radars ..... There is only one thing .... DON'T SPEED .... This is of course is if the speed checking device is being used exactly as designed. We all know how accurate just about every speed measuring device the Victorian government uses is (acuracy .... who cares about wether your really speeding or not, so long as we get the $$$$).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. 306
    The Police are also meant to record you at a constant speed for 3 seconds before booking you. I'm not sure what this means for the speed you'd be booked at if rapidly accelerating or braking hard and 3 seconds later still being over the limit...
    I can confirm this.

    I was once booked by a cop in a SS Commonwhore who was travelling towards me, I saw him and instantly slammed on my brakes, reducing my speed to 80km/h i couldn't reduce it any further, and didn't bother cause he had been locked onto me for a few seconds by that time and I knew I was gone, but thankfully at not as high a speed as what I was. He knew I was going faster, but he could only prove (unless I admitted to going faster when he first saw me) that I was doing 80km/h.

    He made a point of trying to get me to admit to the higher speed too, but in the end booked me doing just a few Kms over. This was because to get an official radar reading he had to lock onto me or whatever radars do for several seconds.

    So braking when you see a cop if you are speeding, could save you some points.

    I am not recommeneing you speed though.

    I learnt my lesson years ago, and rarely ever exceed the speed limit now.
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