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    Default Hypoid gear manufacturers in Australia

    I need to have a final drive and associated crownwheel cut and can not find anyone in Australia to do it. Most places that advertise they can do it confess when rung up that they can't. They can only do bevel gears.

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    I would even send the job overseas if anyone has trustworthy and reliable contacts.

    Sorry for bringing this up here, but I hope it reaches a larger audience than in the car specific forums.

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    Again government policy in flogging off our industries overseas and taxing those that remain out of existence has resulted in a problem.

    All I can suggest that if there is anything still available that can be modified to fit would be the only option available in the 'lucky country'.

    What make, model, etc, are you looking for?

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    Icon6 Try direct or Ministry of Supply - Defence Dept etc.

    The Government Ordnance Factory in Bendigo, has a fully functional gear generating workshop, where they would machine the gear sets for the destroyer gearboxes. they also took on work from outside government contracts for private industry.

    It might be worth making inquiries with that Factory if they would take on the job. Many large manufacturers use the factory to do specialized work that they then on sell as their product, but don't have the machinery or expertise to actually do the whole job.


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    I am looking at having a final drive and crownwheel cut for a 365 gearbox. There are two on ebay at the moment, but I have inquired and they are suspicious. I think they are 395 components (i.e. the final drive splines are about 3mm shorter, which means the 365 gears won't fit). Both have been on ebay for a long time now.

    Ken, I have had the same suggestion from some of the bussinesses I approached. I understand Holden also cut their own gears in house, but good luck trying to get a one-off made there.

    I don't think the govt is to blame here, but simply a lack of demand. How many nutters cut their own hypoid gears in this country? The govt can only control govt bussiness, not private. I am sure, if I wanted to open a bussiness to do it nobody would stop me. Sure, I don't expect I could give up my day job either.

    But all that's beside the point.

    Hopefully some other nutter has done this in the past and will come here to tell us all about it.

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    There is an engineering firm about 5 kays from my place...I stopped and inquired about getting some welding done but they actually outsourced what i wanted...but while I waited I had a peek at their "menu"...appears they are a gear cutting specialist company...I dont have their name to hand but I ll get the details in the next day or so...i think they are happy to do one-off jobs...

    I think they are called Hardman Bros....but not sure...

    http://www.rigear.com.au/capabilities/gear-cutting.aspx


    http://www.hardmanbros.com.au/images...chure-2008.pdf


    ...actually after having a look at their brochure and seeing the old bearded guy in the pics I m pretty sure its Hardman bros...


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    Thank you Dino.

    I think they are worth a call, but I have not seen anywhere in their info anythign about hypoid gears. Bevel gears, yes. But there are plenty of workshops that do that.

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    Yeah Scratch the Ordnance Factory Bendigo, it was taken over by Thales and concentrated on the Bushmaster contract - probably sold off the gear generation equipment years ago. Privatisation usually ends like that...stripped to the bone..

    This a link to a Victorian company that claims to be able to do CNC hypoid gear cuttinghttp://www.manufacturelink.com.au/Suppliers/machine-parts-and-tooling.aspx

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    Here is another - apparently located in NSW re hypoid gears

    http://www.fesca.com.au/contacts_frame.htm

    Might now be just a front for overseas manufacturers - there is an email listed.

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    These people sell the CNC hypoid gear cutting machines in Victoria they may know who is actively able to make such gears. Worth a try.

    http://www.newmac.com.au/index.html

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    Looking at the processes, Hypoid gear generation has come a long way since my apprentice days when we set up a gear train on a dividing head and cut those gears, then sent them off for surface hardening and finish grinding of the profiles.

    Good luck with the quest.

    A few years back I told that if you have good contacts in India, such things can be made there almost at the cost of the material and the quality is said to be whatever you specify - a lot of UK parts are made there.

    I have no idea how to make contact with a reliable Indian firm though.

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    I can get them cut for you in India where I will be shortly. email drawings and material specs and I canget the quotes. There are both large scale gear cutting companies making for the motor industry and specialised shops making components in small quantities for a repair industry for low volume vehicles and industrial machinery. The number of these is comparable to scene in Australia a generation ago but many now have new specialised CNC machinery and heat treatment facilities. The can also repair damaged gears, straight, bevel or hypoid by welding and machining. My friends there are deep in the automotive industry and are component manufacturers themselves.
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    try hardy spicer

    http://www.hardyspicer.com.au/driveline_products.asp

    or, these nice blokes out at condobolin

    http://www.masproengineering.com.au/
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    This place looks impressive but I don't know what they do and don't make. Qld based.

    http://www.gearconcern.com.au/index.htm

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    Thankyr much guys, looks like a lot of contacts I missed. the manufacturing place, Ken I rang them up some time ago, and after some explanations they said they couldn't actually do hypoid. "Normal" (i.e. centered drive) spiral bevelled was the best they offerred.

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    Mate of mine had some CW and pinion set cut for an R5 box in India, superb quality and have lasted better than the Regie in a race car, Around $1k for a 1 off set

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    I would have them cut anywhere if I could find where. Of course, I would like to have serious quality. By some game of chance I have bought a set CW&pinion pair from Romania where they manufactured the 365 box, but those are again 395 type final drives i.e. short splines. Apparently they made both 365 and 395 boxes but both used the final drive pattern of the 395 (short splined section).

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    i have personally seen the work out of maspro and know the fellas out there

    their work is about the best i have ever seen bearing in mind i have also seen stuff out of hardy spicer who are very well known as bieng top class and these blokes at condo are every bit as good, if not better

    i have actually being tossing up the idea if there were enough takers of getting some PRV6 BA10/5 input shafts made up
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    Quote Originally Posted by pugrambo View Post
    i have personally seen the work out of maspro and know the fellas out there

    their work is about the best i have ever seen bearing in mind i have also seen stuff out of hardy spicer who are very well known as being top class and these blokes at condo are every bit as good, if not better

    i have actually being tossing up the idea if there were enough takers of getting some PRV6 BA10/5 input shafts made up

    The bumpkins at Condo do not advertise that hypoid gears are in their repertoire, besides that how would you get the dust off the gears before assembly .
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    Yes, nobody has hypoid gear explicitly mentioned which is not encouraging. As I said, even companies that have them listed, when approached directly say, no we can't do them, sorry. Then why the hell do you advertise you can?

    Spicer is the same as Glaenzer-Spicer in Europe (or GKN)? On the website linked above there's no reference to any gears at all whatsoever. Driveshafts, yes. Which makes me think they're the same people I found in Europe. One mention, they do the short driveshafts you need when using a 395 'box in R12 and the like. They're still available, albeit about 300AU$, if memory serves.

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    Have I missed something here? Gerry Freed has made a generous, informed offer to help, with a more or less guaranteed outcome, which is more than anybody else has managed to do, and it hasn't even been acknowledged, much less accepted with the alacrity one would expect.

    This is so typical of Aussiefrogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcusack View Post
    Have I missed something here? Gerry Freed has made a generous, informed offer to help, with a more or less guaranteed outcome, which is more than anybody else has managed to do, and it hasn't even been acknowledged, much less accepted with the alacrity one would expect.

    This is so typical of Aussiefrogs.

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    Perhaps a PM to the author of the thread may have been more appropriate? After all, he is the one requesting a one off job.

    People were trying to help, which IS typical of Aussie Frogs. I guess it's when they stop we should start to worry

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcusack View Post
    Have I missed something here? Gerry Freed has made a generous, informed offer to help, with a more or less guaranteed outcome, which is more than anybody else has managed to do, and it hasn't even been acknowledged, much less accepted with the alacrity one would expect.

    This is so typical of Aussiefrogs.

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    Apparently, yes. As 68_404 underlines, the nature of forums is to help. Whether help is appreciated, taken on board etc., is a different matter. My guess is 90% of advice goes unheeded/overlooked/disregarded not becasue people are nasty, but because there's so much option. To get offended by that is to not understand the nature of forums. To get offended on someone else's behalf is just weird.

    But I didn't overlook Gerry's generous offer. I certainly read all the answers here, becasue I am really interested to get the job done. I just don't have the drawings, specs, etc., needed. And I am very reluctant to part with the original parts, if there's the slightest chance they would get lost, becasue it's all I have. I prefer to explore other options first and seems there's quite a few. As soon as I get near a landline, I will try these options and report back. If it turns out that Gerry's offer still stands and is the only option left, I'll take it from there.

    Still positive,

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    If they are standard ratios, they can be found in France, why get them cut?
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    There used to a company in sydney called Graden Gears could do almost anything according to my dad who has been in the motor repair industry for near on 75 years, They would be worth a go.
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