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    Thoughts to those in Canberra and other fire zones

    Hope all of you French car addicts (and everyone else too of course) in Canberra and the other places where bushfires are burning are all safe and well.

    Sitting here looking out the window at the parched grass and bush around Hurstbridge, and listening to the local CFA testing its siren and radio reports about Canberra and the Forestville / Davidson fire. (I've got a lot of friends around Canberra and I spent many years as a youth in French's Forest).

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    Take care and remember if you are in a danger area that a car, no matter how precious it seems, isn't worth risking your life for.

    Good luck to all and commiserations to anyone who has suffered loss already.

    Cheers

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    You're a bloody mind reader Rod. I was just about to start typing when this came through eek!
    We've got a few aussiefroggers down in Canberra; how are you all?
    Any chance of a roll call?

    Also, anyone from Canberra, any chance of a bit of info? How bad are things in Kambah? We have friends in Battersby Cresc. that we haven't been able to raise on the phine; anybody down there got any ideas how that street fared? It's not far from the fire station that was reportedly burnt down so it doesn't look good.

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    Likewise, I've lived in Belrose and also in Curtin...

    And last year I worked in Eucumbene Drive, which I guess is the street most affected by things at the moment.

    I seem to recall that one driveway had a collection of cars in it too... but I think they were Alfas...

    As I watched on TV, I thought of them and wondered if they'd got them out... but if someone has died, I guess they were of little importance?

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    Echo x2 the thoughts and pledges from above, by Rod, Ray and Alan.
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    Now I read that someone else has died... last night, of course. An absolute tragedy.

    The first death was from smoke inhalation, not sure about the second.

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    HI Guys,

    It has been pretty scary down here, hundreds of houses burnt, mainly those on the western fringes close to the forest and the murrumbidgee corridor.

    Canberra is threaded through a series of nature corridors and reserves so it was pretty chaotic once it got started. By 3pm down here at Tuggeranong it was as dark as night and the whole city has had rains of ash and spot fires . We have been lucky here. There was a spot fire on the ridge above our suburb but it fortunately blew off into the Wanniassa Hills nature reserve and was eventually put out.

    It's not over yet by any means, but so far today has been calm and smokey - but without the darkness.

    It is really crazy for me as I spent some time at the solar powered hippy retreat in the mountains west of Cabramurra after Christmas and watched the storm start these fires - this was scary and included a dose of ball lightning in the mud hut(sheeit that was a worry)...once the ones around the farm were contained we ended up heading out of there to be "safe" at home in Canberra.

    I'm sure the other frogs down here appreciate your support fellas. Let's hope that everyone else is safe and the situation improves.

    cheers!

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    I too would like to wish those in the ACT and surrounding areas all the best.

    Gus, I don't expect we'll hear from you for a while as I heard on the radio there was a chance the fire was heading towards Queanbeyan, but I hope you are safe and well (and your 505 too, seeing how much work you put into it!).

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    Good luck to everyone in Canberra also, hope everyone is fine and that the Fires die-down.

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    Boggy,

    Tried to contact the friends via landline as well as mobile last night without luck; as they are in one of the bad areas, I assume the landline could be cooked but what's the score with the mobile system? Is it still working to your knowledge?

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    Alan S:
    Boggy,

    Tried to contact the friends via landline as well as mobile last night without luck; as they are in one of the bad areas, I assume the landline could be cooked but what's the score with the mobile system? Is it still working to your knowledge?

    Alan S
    SMSd Mike Neil late yesterday arvo and he and family and cars were still OK.

    Just phone Mike and he and his Citroens and Renaults are fine - no news on anyone else though.
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    Eventually got through via SMS. It seems that the mobile service was pretty chockers yesterday down there which was apparently why I couldn't get through.
    Our friends are OK but apparently very scarey as the flames got to within 100 metres. They were just a street or so away from the fire station that burnt down; close enough for them to have a "rosey glow" today after standing there hosing down the houses looking like a couple of Osamas offsiders with the wet towels over their heards.
    Saw a guy on TV called "Southwell" being interviewed who had been burnt out. Not Davids brother I hope?

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    Sorry not to get back earlier Alan,

    Spot on, the mobile network was not working in a lot of the city, cooked and power cuts I guess.

    cheers!
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    Jim might be close to the fires... but he's not on the edge of the bushland so may have a buffer.

    I imagine the worst of it is in Duffy and other parts of Weston Creek, but Kambah may be copping a bit and some of the other Tuggeranong suburbs.

    Terrible news coming through, 400 homes, four dead, a bit of a nightmare in the infrastructure.

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    The worst hit was Duffy, those poor bastards were living right across the road from the pine forest. Chapman, Rivett and the very north west part of Kambah copped a major lathering as well. They are on opposite sides of one of the ridges that went up.

    The Kambah fire mainly burnt out an enclave of homes set apart from the main suburb off the Kambah Pool Road. Justin Eckersley from Alpine Motors lives in one of the streets in that part of Kambah. I hope he and his family are OK.

    Things are still calm here at the moment. There has been water bombing of spot fires and fires to the South and East of the ACT all day. Everyone is hoping that it will stay calm for a while longer while a major fire break construction program is completed.

    Having said that, there are still plenty of possible points of entry for fire, and lots of the place is still carrying fuel loads that could make for more of the same if the wind changes or new fires start.

    I went to the supermarket this afternoon and could not believe the amoubt of panic buying that had gone on. A fair number of the shelves were absolutely empty, there were two loaves of bread left in the whole place, almost all the bottled water was sold, the fruit and veg section looked like it had been hit by a plague of locusts.

    The sewerage system stopped operating because of power infrastructure damage and the city is under orders to avoid using the drains unless absolutely necessary..in order to avoid a rapid increase in the number of brown trout in the Murrumbidgee - there is only about two days worth of storage available for untreated sewerage at normal rates of use and ACTEW aren't confident that they can get it running in that time frame.

    cheers!

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    Burrendong Rd (or is it Cres?) was just shown in the news as one of the worst hit streets...

    Amazing amount of destruction...

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    I've been following this all week on the news over here, my thoughts are with all involved.
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    A point that's come up in the news is that they fear up to 100 of the 368 homes burned down may not have been insured.

    To this, I say 'balderdash!'... and with good reason.

    Each weekend I ask at least eight people intimate details about their insurances. In six or seven years of this I have only ever had a half dozen or so (at the most) tell me their home was uninsured.

    Of course, those who rent homes don't have to insure them, but one must assume that anyone with an investment property that could be damaged by a lousy tenant (among other things) wouldn't have insurance.

    Underinsured is a possiblility, but I really doubt it in Canberra, where an insurance renewal notice with a recommendation (as they usually have...) to increase the insured value would be accepted by most at face value.

    Of all places in Australia, and I have asked perhaps 350 people in various parts of Canberra these questions, this would be one of the least likely to suffer from lack of insurance.

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    I've just sent an email to all Renault club members in Canberra. Hoping to get good news from those I know in the Weston Creek area but I know of one member who lives in one of the worst affected streets. I live in west Belconnen, not far from Mike, and there was a lot of ash on us on Saturday but nothing as bad as what Bogmaster describes. But I did see on WIN News a family in Duffy whose house and P404 were safe.
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    Ray Bell:
    A point that's come up in the news is that they fear up to 100 of the 368 homes burned down may not have been insured.

    To this, I say 'balderdash!'... and with good reason....
    Hi Ray,

    I suspect in many of these cases the building may be insured (by landlords , or because of loan requirements etc) but the contents may not be. Some of the houses, at least, were actually housing commission houses. Insurance is one of the first things that gets dropped when people are struggling.

    Regardless, a lot of people have lost a lot of things that matter to them, and, insurance or no, are not going to be able to replace them.

    Our local primary school (at which I was a school council member for a number of years) burnt down on New Years Day. Even one step removed like this I found it a quite devastating experience - lots of memories, little things that were "tags" for memories have simply disappeared, together with years of work by parents, teachers etc etc. I can barely imagine what it must feel like to actually lose a house and all the personal "sacred objects" that it contains .

    The air in Melbourne is full of smoke from the NE Victorian fires this mroning. The sun rose as a huge red orb and we are expecting 37 celsius.

    I'd better get off the computer and make sure the gutters are still clear.

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    Here is a photo of the sky from our place at 7:30 this morning (South Eastern suburbs of Melbourne). It looked quite a bit more red in real life, but it gives you an idea of how smokey it is

    <img src="ftp://njms_area:[email protected]/Picture%20000.jpg" alt=" - " />

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    Hi,

    We live in Gowrie and apart from loads of ash and burnt leaves, twigs and bark dropping from the sky, we are all OK. 3pm on Saturday was literally like night time.

    Fadden Hills above our suburb went up but no homes lost.

    We know two families that lost all or part of their homes in Duffy. Also, I was in Duffy on Friday night picking up the spare key to the 505 that I bought from the previous owners - a young family. I think that their house is gone as it was right up in the worst hit area. I can't get through to them on their mobile so fear the worst.

    Today is supposed to be another hot windy day.

    I used to live near Frenches Forest also and saw the fires rip through there (and in Kuring-gai etc.) in Jan 94. That was bad but I think this weekend was worse.

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    Rod...

    I well know that losses go beyond the monetary value... but my comment was purely about the report on TV that 'up to 100 homes' may not have been insured.

    This is complete rubbish. And as for the contents, I would also say that fewer than 50% or renters don't insure their contents. In this area, while Government houses do abound, there would have been a higher number of privately owned homes.

    I have to say 'trust me' on these things... I go into the homes, in fact, some of the homes that have been destroyed have been the subject of my visits in the last 18 months... and ask the people about these very things.

    What I have put here in this matter is FACT.

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    Hi dudes,

    I had to leave my 504 in an area close to the fires but it was fine when I picked it up, just covered in 10mm of ash. It looked good in grey for a while.

    I actually went on a mountain bike ride through Stromlo and Mount Taylor in the morning before the firestorm. All of it is now gone. The ferocity was unreal. No one could have stopped it.
    Don't listen to Channel 9, The only thing that could have been done was to cut down all the trees for at least 1000metres or more before the suburbs as the 100kmh winds just took the fire to the tree tops.
    A mate of mine managed to save his house only to have the neighbours shed erupt as it was packed Fireworks!

    My old man sat on his deck all of Saturday night in a nearby suburb and alternately hosed down the house then the 504 and 406 at the same time...!

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    Hi, on behalf of all the francophiles thanks for your kind thoughts.

    As Ray suggested the golf couse acted as a buffer for us and although we were ready we didn't have a problem. Very scary.

    I understand it got fairly close to Bill McNamee but all is OK.

    No doubt there will be some losses to the french car community given the devastation, it looks like a war zone!!

    Cheers

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    Check this out - not the general reason for this thread, but a pretty cool peice of technology. And of course a great tool for all those heroic (crazy?) firefighters out there.

    <a href="http://www.sentinel.csiro.au" target="_blank">www.sentinel.csiro.au</a>
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