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    I recently became a pug owner and from numerous conversations with other owners I had the impression that pug owners were in a group unto themselves (that's a good group)..a niche group (if you can call it that) of car owners who truly enjoyed their cars and other pugs alike……one interesting thing that was pointed out to me was the unusual and rather quirky practice of waving to other pug drivers. I found this quite amusing and a little appealing to be honest but since owning my pug the only wave I've had is with the middle finger……

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    Welcome to the world of pug.
    Did another pug driver give you the finger when you waved?
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    yeah peugeotphiles tend to be an enthusiastic group, normally. The practice of waving or flashing headlights (even an over-the-top thumbs up ) to fellow pug owners used to be quite common, especially from old skool pug owners (404s, 604s, etc) and mental gti drivers .

    Now, the coffee set has infiltrated our borders moon - instead of a friendly look, i get ignorant glances... like, theyre saying, " look at this dude in that old perjot shitbox"... grrr. i couldnt give a shit anyways - ive got pride in my rampaging lion head_ban head_ban head_ban
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    That's the way it used to be. Unfortunately these days Froggy owners are not quite the breed apart that we used to be; after all, who'd ever thought I'd give up smoking my pipe? mallet
    The problem is that they are now aiming at a "mainstream" market and as a result we are getting "mainstream" type owners (ie) those who buy a car on a whim, for a price or as a fashion statement.
    French car owners were at times beyond belief with the places they went with their cars, how many they owned, and the ability to worship a car to a point that would make a Muslim Fundamentalist look like a conservative Christian.
    Most had beards, a beret and were pipe smokers if they smoked at all (the males that is). They were so arch typical that at a Pug/Renault dealership I used to work at, we used to guess what they drove as they walked through the door. An open bonnet was an open invitation for a gathering of folks, male & female, to indulge in great debates on the technicalities of design & manufacture of the various marques. I remember a couple getting divorced many years ago & whilst the property settlement & custody matters were settled fairly amiably, the fight for the DS 23 was long & bitter with the wife eventually winning the battle and gaining control. The (ex) husband used to keep in touch with mutual friends checking to make sure the car was being serviced correctly etc. wink It was almost unheard of for any to indulge in a debate on another brand of car as happens now (refer thread on Car of the Year) and immediate excommunication to anyone who was to break with tradition & buy anything but froggy. Again, we have had a few even on this board who have run off to other pastures and been somewhat spiteful as they passed on to their latest adventure, again, something never seen or heard of in years gone by.
    I live in a regional part of Queensland and there are very few froggys near me & you'd expect that the ones here would tend to keep in contact, but again, not so. I have an XM owner who has a holiday house here that I get a wave off, a Xsara who does the same and of late a C-5 who seems to know his Cits. Most other Cits just drive past with the nose turned up even if they're driving a same model, CX car.
    I've reached the stage where I don't waste waves anymore & always acknowledge those who do the same to me or a stranger if I see one.
    One of the non waving set recently broke down, in the rain and suddenly (with a look of relief on his face) recognised me & waved enthusiastically as I approached; and ya know something...this time I didn't recognise HIS car as a Cit.
    A few years ago that would never happen but today, I try to help genuine Citroen owners and let the ones "passing through" just look after themselves. Like water, it will all find its own level eventually. dance dance

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    But there are those of us that go to the effort of actually stopping and leaving club membership forms and aussiefrog stickers on parked Cits and occassional Pugs and Rennies.

    I know of one person who even went to visit another person when he was in Qld a couple of years ago. He and his wife even met the mad goat down the back paddock! (that is, there was a goat tied up down the back. the goat is psycopathic. the owner of the goat showed us the goat. I'm not implying that the person we visited is a mad goat - although some might debate that )

    Ah life goes on - keep waving 'coz Cit drivers will wave back most times!
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    Original post by Alan S
    The problem is that they are now aiming at a "mainstream" market and as a result we are getting "mainstream" type owners


    Absolutely spot on Alan, and a great post, mate don't give up on the wave, I make a point of trying to educate the newbies as to what a friendly bunch we are, with over gestured waves. The watered down Cits/Pugs and Renaults we are seeing at the momement are surely a strategy to gain market share and build the coffers so that sometime in the future we will again see the kind of ingenuity that separated frogs from mainstream. Not that the current crop of cars are bad, just that they they are not nearly as challenging as their heritage should demand. The spin off is that some of these new owners could become lifetime converts

    In the words of a past Prime Minister "Maintain your wave" whip (OK I know he said rage) wink

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    Yeah, I'd given up on the wave. Tried it a few times but felt silly when the other driver didn't even bother looking in my direction. Never had anyone wave at me either.

    LOL at Pugjet, yeah around uni (in Hawthorn) there are quite a few Pugs owned by the "coffee set", none of whom have ever waved at me so far. (They probably have no idea that I'm even driving a Pug...)

    UFO, how about cross-froggy waving? ie Pug drivers waving to Cits or Renaults and vice-versa? I haven't tried, and again none have come my way (then again, I very rarely see any Cits or Renaults at all...)

    And welcome to shoulda-boughtahonda, cheers! may I ask what's the story behind the name??

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    I tried some cross-froggy waving with a guy in a Cit GS on the way home from work a few weeks ago. I got a blank look from him (the driver) and an 'are you mad' look from his wife.

    I give up!

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    I wave to most non-mainstream Froggy cars when I remember (i.e. GTis/Mi16s, 2CVs, CXs, XMs, etc.)

    Only got a wave back from two Mi16s and a 2CV so far frown
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    Hey guys,
    Yeh, since I became a froggy owner I have been giving the wave to any other froggys I see, but so far no one has waved back!. Although yesterday afternoon on Fairbairn Ave I got an enthusiastic wave from a passenger in the back of a bomb-a-door station wagon. Wondered if it might be another AF member out without their Frogmobile.

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    When I had a Micra I waved to other Micras and they often waved back, or got a flash flash or a honk honk.

    I missed that when I switched the the german car.

    With the 306 I can wave at other GTi-6 owners and often get a response. The other 306s aren't as responsive, however, I did walk up to an XSi owner at some traffic lights the other day and started having a chat.
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    I'm the same, I'll wave at another MI16 or a GTI/GTI6 or even a DS or 2CV. You can usually tell if it is the type of froggy owner who might wave back. A 306 Cab driver will just give you a filthy look. I'll bet there isn't one in here.

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    must be a city thing
    us country folk are pretty good for "the wave" even from new froggies but i do find that on the odd occasion that we tempt fate and head to the noise and commotion of the city froggies aren't as forthcoming with raising a wave
    maybe us hicks out here should infiltrate the city masses more often to educate the newbies
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    When I had the BX wagon I sometimes passed a lady in another in the morning traffic. I waved several times with no response. One day we were facing each other at the traffic lights for some time, as we passed I waved again and finally got a response - she'd obviously finally noticed the car was the same as hers. We repeated the wave a few other mornings, then I traded the BX on the Xsara. When I've passed her since then I get no wave back, nor do I get any response from fellow Xsara drivers.
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    I've noticed the waving phenomena doesn't work on owners of the more modern Peugeots, but the 504 & 505 owners in Mackay are pretty much avid wavers. One of the doctors where I work just bought a 607, so I may have to educate him on the fine art of waving to other peugeots...

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    Hi all,

    I agree with Liam, I've found that down here in Wodonga that I tend to get more waves from the drivers of the older style Pugs (505, 504, 404 etc). The newer style Pug owners don't seem to respond, either they think they are a class above us older Pug owners or they genuinely don't know what the older style Pugs look like. Most modern cars are designed with a similar style in mind. Who'd want to design a car that looked radically different and risk loosing market share?

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    yeah get a few waves mainly from people in older pugs (504,505,404 etc) had a couple of waves from a few 206 drivers, hey shouldboughtahonda i've got a honda, boring..... i agree with Alan S very spot on.
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    I usually see a pretty good response from other 205 drivers - not that there are many around.

    Also got an enthusiastic wave from a 504 the other day.

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    I make a habit of waving to every other Peugeot i see, and most of the time i get a wave back. Even the "Coffee Set" cars wave back.
    Twice now, when i have parked at work, i have pulled up next to another pug (406 and 306) and the owners have said something along the lines of "Good Choice"
    The other day, an elderly couple in a 406 came up to me as i was getting out of the car and he said "You have fine taste in automobiles young man". head_ban
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    I try a simple nod of aproval, this often works here in sydney, specially from GTI both 205 and 306's but ive only ran into a couple of S16 and we were going to fast round the bends to notice. I took on a 206 GTi and when i swallowed him up he gave me a big thumbs up and nod as he crused past.
    I often get looks and fist ( both good and bad ) for my sometimes enthusiastic driving, specially on para rd to M4 entry, i love watching all the rice heads and WRX owners as i drive around them and then pull infront just under the bridge... lol
    i always get a wave from chicks i pugs and specially from the new breed of 206 cc owners, i often see a grey 5Gtt around cheerybrook/hornsby but never had the chace to say anything.
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    The older the car, the more likely you are to get a wave. I got heaps of waves from other 404 owners when I had a 404. I've rarely got waves from anyone driving something newer than a 404. Occasionally I've had waves from 504s or 505s, but again it seems to be more likely if you're driving an older Pug.

    Generally, speaking you don't get waves from plastic bumpered French car drivers (the odd 505 excepted), which I guess reflects the way Fench cars seemed to change in character, during the late 70's/early 80's.

    Some of the best wavers are drivers of DS's. They're a bunch of legends.

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    Most waves I ever got was when I had my Light 15 in the mid sixties.

    But 404s grew to be that way before they (mostly) rusted away. 504 owners didn't seem to acknowledge 404s then, but 504s are now the 'old' Peugeots on the road and hence are owned by people who recognise their waving responsibilities.

    Of course, some of them waive these responsibilities...

    I just don't know how you'd get on if you had a 404 coupe... nobody would recognise it?

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    And 504 coupes are so different from the sedans, some might even fail to recognise them...

    For shame...

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    You guys need to drive a 2cv or DS, even little kids standing on the side of the road will wave

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    Shouldaboughtahonda!!! What a shocker of a name! Think I'l call you "Shudder" for short.

    It takes time , Shudder. Your Peugeot has to grow and develop and take a meaningful place in society before you can expect unsolicited recognition!

    It has ever been thus. I started off with 403s, when the 404 was the "current" model. 203 owners, by that time, would give you the occasional wave, but those possessed of the lordly 404 were far more reticent.

    When the 504 arrived, the 404 drivers became less snobbish . The first 504's were mainly bought by afficionados and they were all avid wavers and flashers, but when the 2 litre version arrived, and started to make inroads into the upwardly mobile junior exec set the picture changed. Waving or flashing at them would usually result in a strange stare and rapid return of the eyes to the road, to ensure that there wasn't a misplaced wildebeast wandering across their path.

    Many 403 owners became disheartened and we naturally limited our greetings to owners of earlier models, though we all, of course, returned any salutation from more modern pugs with great alacrity. This remains the situation today.

    With time , of course, the 504 was replaced by the 505 and the process continued. Only the numbers on the cars of the flashers and wavers changed.

    The older the car the more certain the greeting, but if the approaching vehicle is older than your own, the initiating wave/ flash must be made by you. You may, on occasion, receive flashes from drivers of older vehicles without initiating the process, but it will only be from the less disheartened, thick skinned members of the old brigade

    505's are flashed / waved by other 505's and sometimes by earlier models. 504's are sufficiently aged to be flashed/waved by 505's and most earlier vehicles as well, though etiquette, and the experiences of the past, really demands that the newer car should initiate the process.

    405s, sadly, are rarely reliable flashers/wavers.

    The ubiquitous 306s don't seem to be aware of the proper etiquette at all (thereby endangering a longstanding tradition). Perhaps with time they will understand, though I fear that many of their owners wouldn't actually recognise a 505, let alone a 203! (I'm excluding, of course, aussiefrog members from such an insult).

    206 owners , unfortunately, are not only for the most part unaware of flashing/waving etiquette, but are also known to do other very unPeugeotly things like driving along with their fog lights on when there is no fog , thereby irritating the bejesus out of people like me!

    Now, pardon me if I'm wrong, but I have a sneeking suspicion that you may be the proud owner of a 307. If so, a major responsibility in the world of Pug now lies upon your shoulders.

    As the "newcomer", you , of course, are required by etiquette to initiate the flash/wave routine with all older Peugeots .

    Furthermore, because of the learning disabilities so clearly evident amongst the 306 and 206 set (excluding aussiefrog members) , you will have to shoulder the burden of educating them about their responsibilities. This may well prove a thankless and even nigh on impossible task, but it is yours nevertheless.

    I suggest that you begin a fitness program aimed at ensuring the durability of the flasher finger and / or regal waving hand. A good wrist action is essential.

    I'm sure we all look forward to the day when we see a 307 winking away at us. When we see it for the first time, we will no doubt, think "Shudder". And if we see it a second time, from a different vehicle, we'll know that you have shouldered your mighty responsibility well.

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    Some of the best wavers are drivers of DS's. They're a bunch of legends.

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