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    Anyone driven a Xsara VTS?

    Has anyone given a Xsara VTS a bit of a punt on the road?

    How do they compare to 306's, specifically the GTi6?

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    I know they are much the same car etc etc.

    I don't particularly want to own a Citroen (actually I'd rather steer clear of them) but it has *that* engine.

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    I've had a poke around in the VTS, didn't get around to driving it though......they're bigger/marginally heavier car than a 306 and reputedly handle very well, the interior plastics etc were very cheap and didn't really do it for me.

    This old " <a href="http://www.aussiefrogs.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=000179" target="_blank">Driveaway a Xsara </a> " thread had a pretty comprehensive writeup on the VTS by "UFO"........
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    is weird.... i have had a heap of people comment on how nice the interior was

    i havent driven the VTS, but i am pleased with my VTR.

    Why dont you want to own a Citroen?

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    If only we could get SAXO's especially a VTS,.................
    i love Cits old and new, the onlygripe wierd keys, so big.
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    macquered:
    Has anyone given a Xsara VTS a bit of a punt on the road?

    How do they compare to 306's, specifically the GTi6?

    I know they are much the same car etc etc.

    I don't particularly want to own a Citroen (actually I'd rather steer clear of them) but it has *that* engine.

    BC
    I take umbrage at you not wanting to own a CitroŽn. What's your problem? You have the same, if not improved, chassis as on a 306 and from reports I have had from people who have owned both 306s and Xsaras, the Xsara is better balanced. I think as I stated in my report (thanks for the comment DTwo) I would happily buy one - or Mrs UFO would, when the time comes to trade the shitsubishi shagna that she drives.

    Now live from the horse's mouth, we had Edward Rowe from ATECO at our CCC of NSW meeting last night to speak about future product and show us the C3. (Where were you DeKa??!)

    Edward informs us that Aus will not get the Saxo, and besides, it is being replaced in Europe late next year by the C2. To bring the Saxo into Aus to try to compete in the hot hatch market is just not viable.

    And last but not least, if you were in a CitroŽn, you would safely be able to steer clear of all the other cars on the road tongue whip
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    THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH MY MAGNA!!!

    It saved us a few weeks ago when the XM shat itself didn't it?

    Anyway, back to the Xsara VTS. B...y brilliant car. This is the best small car I have driven in years (maybe ever) and I've been around for quite a while (well longer than Craig) meaning that I have been driving for 32 years and love quick, good handling cars. Yeah, yeah, I'm the older woman, so what? roll_lau

    OK, seriously now, I've driven the 306XSI too and I still love the Xsara. I think the only thing it lacks is hydraulic suspension making it a real Citroen. Oooh, now I've probably set the cat among the pidgeons..

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    Craig,

    Sorry about that last night - I completely forgot, and dad didn't mention it at all. Maybe he wasn't too fussed about seeing the C3 as he's already bought one? I wasn't too concerned abou seeing C3's as I saw plenty in Ireland zipping around. Not to worry. I hear our C3 is now on Australian soil.

    Was the C3 they had there the last night LHD or RHD? We've looked at LHD models at Continental and Pymble Automobiles.

    I think those guys at the Cit Tech Day thought I was mad trying to flog a can of LHM. It got down to $30 for a full can! Bargain price!!

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    The car there last night was a RHD model in that nice light metallic blue. I was very impressed - tons of room and looks like it is well put together and is certainly well appointed.

    No they didn't think you were mad trying to sell the LHM, they were just pushing the price down! They might drive Cits, but they aint stupid. evil
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    To the Cit, lovers do you know if the replacement for the saxo will also have a bastard version from peugeot?
    IF so were do i place my order!!!
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    please bring out a gti/vts version!
    ... ptui!

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    xqisid:
    To the Cit, lovers do you know if the replacement for the saxo will also have a bastard version from peugeot?
    IF so were do i place my order!!!
    xqisid

    please bring out a gti/vts version!
    Apparently so. Contact your local Peugeot dealer.

    On another related note - expect a LOT more action on diesel engines from all brands of Euro cars in the next few years. head_ban
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    Tx UFO,.
    ive been dreming for these real pocket rockets/ super minis to come here since i can remember first seeing on in MAX power 3 years ago.. In the UK the SAXO have the popularity andthe 106 fetch the higher price, but both ROCK!
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    ps no diesels for me, if iwantt be good onfuel, ill buy a toyota Prius (never).
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    Tx UFO,.
    ive been dreming for these real pocket rockets/ super minis to come here since i can remember first seeing on in MAX power 3 years ago.. In the UK the SAXO have the popularity andthe 106 fetch the higher price, but both ROCK!
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    ps no diesels for me, if iwantt be good onfuel, ill buy a toyota Prius (never).
    I think you need to do some research on diesel engine developments. We were told of a 1.4l diesel that is now in production that develops 98hp and bucket loads of torque.

    Diesels in Europe are far more popular than petrol as they are not only more economical but cleaner to run.

    The flow on to Aus will come.

    Ask anyone who has one of the diesel engined 406s or C5s what they think of them.

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    ... i havent driven the vts version of the xsara, nontheless, i regularly thrash my fathers (dont tell him ) series 1 16v xsara. Ive also driven a 306 xr and an s16. The xsara seems to be ungainly and body roll seemed more noticeable around corners (not very citroenesque). Its power steering seems to feel lighter than its 306 counterparts, also - a little too light for my taste.

    And they said that the two were supposed to be seperated at birth moon

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    Xsara:
    Why dont you want to own a Citroen?
    Resale. Not that Peugeot has the best resale value in the world, but it is better than Citroen and Renualt. So I wouldn't buy one new. Won't stop me from stealing a VTS or Clio Sport off someone poor bugger in a couple of years for under $15k. head_ban

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    I haven't even seen a VTS yet.
    My VTR is a sweet little car, but as I have never driven any Pugs or Renaults, I cant compare it to them in any way. But, it goes round corners better than any of my previous cars, and once you get the revs up above 3500 it seems to get along quite nicely. Sure the 50% more power in the VTS would have been nice, but I wasn't willing to pay the extra $9000 for something I don't really need.

    Anyway, My VTR is my only car, it braves shopping centre car parks, it sits in the sun all day in the work car park, bird poo and all. I just wish the drought would end so I can wash it without feeling guilty.

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    Exactly Cal.

    306's seem to have much better resale.

    Thanks for the replies. It seems that the Xsara has a softer setup than the GTi6.

    One good thing about them is the Citroen will probably give me a good trade to make a sale, but the resale is something I am afraid of.

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    Actually the Road reports i've read on the VTS actually criticise it for having overly hard suspension....I'll see if i can find some and scan them in....

    Don't be scared of Citroens or their resale value.....I would say their resale value is average, rather than below average.....certainly better than 5yrs ago.

    Dare I say a xsara is a much better built car than a 206....and i think at least a match for the 307 in build quality, interior plastics are very ordinary/cheap feeling/looking though.........mechanically it's pretty much a Peugeot, you can expect similar reliability...

    At least get out and test drive one
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    The newer cits are holding their value much better, and they are just about everywhere aswell which contriubtes to their popularity, higher demand resulting in better value.

    The Motor mag says the steering is "slightly too heavy at low speeds" if anything. The suspension has also been re-worked sine the release of the series 2 Xsara.

    Look at how much the newer Xsara's are holding their value, the series 1 Xsara's have dropped in price abit since the release of the Phase 2, but they are still quite strong. I have seen VTR's selling with 15,000kms on them and 1 year old for only $2,500 less then new price! that may be an extreme, but it does set a precedent.

    I think their value is holding quite well, and with a more popular Citroen Range on the rise inot the second hand market (c3, C5, Xsara) they are all good cars and people are understanding that they are not like some of their previous models, and aren't as quirky and they appeal to a much broader spectrum of people. Keeping in mind too that the 206, Clio and Xsara have all been feature cars in reputable car magazines and i think this could only do good things for the cars value!

    I am not trying to write this so i can have peace of mind that i have bought well, but rather this is a view of my own perception in the second hand car sales regarding this vechile.

    Thats my 0.02c

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    Julian: are you comparing used prices to 23990 driveaway or what people actually paid for the pre-driveaway cars? Mine was around 27000 on road, and I've seen similar advertised in the South for 10000 less than that at one year old. If you're going off Brisbane prices you'd have to say resales seem higher.

    Other commentators: As for 306 resale, I watched them closely for six years and their depreciation for most models was quite savage imho compared to earlier Pugs. The top of the range 306s may be different, but then VTS resales have been so few and far between I don't think you could talk about averages yet.
    And if the Xsara's suspension is soft/exhibits body roll in corners then I'd hate to ride in anything that's firmer (remember, I'm the one who put sheepskins on the Xsara 'coz the ride's too hard, and who can be viewed mildly rolling thru corners on the Qld cruise). I can only assume the suspension tweaks of the series 2 made a big difference from the earlier Xsaras.
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    Yeah sorry forgot to crlarify that Bruce... i was going of Brisbane prices.... they seem to hold their value better here... could it have anything to do with John Cant(local dealer) being the " no.1 Citroen Dealr in Australia" as claimed i am not sure....

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    Traditionally, Citroens have been more ride orientated than Peugeots.

    According to RedBook figures, the Xsara has a resale of 57-58% after 3 years. A 307 has a resale of 67-68% after 3 years - the same as the class king the Golf.

    Interestingly, the Berlingo has 63% resale. As Citroens have become more accepted, the resale has improved significantly.

    Those poor old XM owners...

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    Those poor old XM owners...
    Sounds like the perfect opportunity to break the news to those who hadn't already guessed from my changed signature that we no longer have our 1991 XM. It was written off in an accident 2 weeks ago - the whole engine bay was shifted about 300-400mm to the right. disappro

    Dad who was driving at the time wasn't hurt

    The insurance payout was reasonable thankfully!

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    Bugger!

    So what's on the books to replace the special ol Cit?

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    *hint*

    It's in this thread Justin

    At least it wasn't dad's fault so no loss of no claim bonus and all that stuff.

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    Ahh

    That's a fair difference, eh? Going to miss the LHM?

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