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    ok...reading one of the earlier posts i started thinking (i do that sometimes)...i m wondering how u guys/gals feel about the current automotive designs (french or otherwise) and where you would like automotive design to go to...obviously this is a very general topic...but there is a reason why so many of us like cars like the ds, gordinis,r12,205,old mercs,even chevys...etc etc...i d like 2 see more cars that I (thats me)look forwards to tinkering with (without plastic bits breaking)...cars that we look forward to washing and waxing....cars that we can thrash the living daylights out of without breaking...cars that we dont dont get bored of because they drive like avalons or magnas....etc etc etc....i must admit i like the little clio (ray of sunshine)even though mechanically its still reasonably conventional....i d like to see more of the 50s passion without seeing retro...i d like to see bigger disc rotors (anchors) and race style quality and component strength (yes i know these come at a cost...i m only theorising)blah blah blah....
    WHAT WOULD U LIKE TO SEE MORE OFF...safety wise, style, interiors, etc etc????

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    Ditto for the earlier style of vehicle, these cars have a character of their own. Todays cars no matter the maker all appear similar within their groups ie small med or large. Unless a modified exhaust is fitted the engine can't be heard, FEEL is non-existant, as is the ability to truely feel as one with the car.
    Seat of the pants driving Nothing beats it.
    And yes i HATE the Chrysler, VW attempt at Retro'ing their respective earlier cars, and of course the BMW attemt to reproduce the Mini, they managed to lose the whole original Mini concept.
    Ugly, Ugly, Ugly
    A return to easy to work on would be great, it seems to be going the throw away direction, like all the household appliances are. Simply to expensive to have fixed.
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    dino:
    ...i d like to see bigger disc rotors (anchors) and race style quality and component strength (yes i know these come at a cost...i m only theorising)blah blah blah....
    Disc size on cars is increasing these days, take the 307 for example - 283mm discs at the front.

    They're pretty big discs for a hatch, it's actually the reason why 15" wheels are the smallest available.

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    Pug307:
    Disc size on cars is increasing these days, take the 307 for example - 283mm discs at the front.
    Same size as the discs on the 406. Still 17mm smaller than the ones on the old DS though!

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    I agree.... dead

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    Some of the things that turn me off from new cars:

    The new "small" hatches that are the size of a small minibus and look awkwardly tall (sorry Justin, the 307 seems to fit in this category <img src="http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/images/smilies/eviljudge.gif" alt=" - " /> ).

    Hideously large rear flanks and boot (new Camrys, Commodores, AU Fairlane, Alfa Romeo Spider, Toyota Celica)

    High waistlines resulting in tiny windows all round that reduce visibility and force you to use a ladder to peer out.

    The general similarity of all the models, especially some of the boring interiors and centre console designs.

    I'd love to see cars that reflect the excitement of the 21st century that we now live in, not the boring rounded blobs that we've got now.

    What has dissapointed me is Citroen's apparent shift to become more mainstream. They seem to have lost the ability to produce revolutionary designs that challenge people's thinking and show how far back in the dark ages other car companies are. They seem content to just blend in to the crowd nowadays.

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    I love the styling of Peugeot 5 years ago, but they are getting worse.
    I quite like Retro, but the VW does look ugly. Maybe a closer to original aproach would be better.
    I think Volvo style rollover protection should be mandatory in new cars, regardless of cost (don't hit me anybody ). Most new cars look terrible, and are getting worse.
    The back of the Clio is ugly, but the back of the 206 is alright, the 307 is really ugly except for the CC, and the 607 isn't as good looking as the 605.
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    BUGGER!!!!!
    The image link won't work. It was a great pic of a new Ford GT next to a GT40. Now that is the kind of retro I LOVE!
    Try copying it into your browser and see if it works there, it is a great pic.
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    I love it all, both old, new, retro etc.
    Id like to see real materials used instead of cheap copies, ie real carbon fibre, woodgrain, leather etc.
    I seems alone when i say i really like the sweet feeling you get in a Audi TT, you feel cocooned and although the windows are tiny, i love em.
    The MINI's, spesh the CooperS WORKS is another little fav, but always hated the VW betles new or old.
    Lurvvvv the new E46 M3, spesh in hamman pack!!!!
    The new Aston DB8 is a sex on wheels and the new Quatroponne is tops too.
    The edge design of the Murcialgo Lambo, is catchy, as is the 360, but you cant beat the sheer precense, looks and manners of the best ferrari ever, the F40.
    Mixed about the 350Z, but the RX8 heads up for me, shame its not a turbo.
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    Pugnut403:
    I love the styling of Peugeot 5 years ago, but they are getting worse.
    What about this one?

    <img src="http://www.cardesignnews.com/autoshows/2003/frankfurt/preview/peugeot-407elixir/images/peugeot-407elixir01.jpg" alt=" - " />

    <img src="http://www.cardesignnews.com/autoshows/2003/frankfurt/preview/peugeot-407elixir/images/peugeot-407elixir02.jpg" alt=" - " />

    <img src="http://www.cardesignnews.com/autoshows/2003/frankfurt/preview/peugeot-407elixir/images/peugeot-407elixir11.jpg" alt=" - " />

    <img src="http://www.cardesignnews.com/autoshows/2003/frankfurt/preview/peugeot-407elixir/images/peugeot-407elixir16.jpg" alt=" - " />

    From <a href="http://www.cardesignnews.com/autoshows/2003/frankfurt/preview/peugeot-407elixir/" target="_blank">Car Design News</a>

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    it is nice but i can't see it getting into the driveway here
    i'm either going to have to stick to cars that can get in here or do something about the driveway
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    pugrambo:
    it is nice but i can't see it getting into the driveway here
    i'm either going to have to stick to cars that can get in here or do something about the driveway
    Ours is rather like that too, pugrambo. Even have one patch where the 406 has trouble! Nearly lost a skip truck here a while back. Saved by an apple tree that stopped it rolling onwards and over. On another occasion it took us two hours of winching to get a furniture van unstuck.

    Sadly the cost of properly surfacing a couple of hundred feet of steepish slope would make getting hold of an Elise even more improbable than ever!

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    Now that's nice!
    What's it called?
    Will they make it?
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    An interesting addition to this topic.

    As we all know, the C3 has been voted the most beautiful small car by some car magazine I think - Citroen quotes it in alot of their C3 advertising.

    Last night when I was driving the C3, I stopped to fill it up. I had an older couple come up to me and say "wow that is the nicest looking car we've ever seen" - they carried on to say they'd never seen one on the road before, and looked over it and commented on how roomy it was inside for such a small car etc etc. The bloke asked me how much fuel it used, and how much it cost to buy and was stunned it was so cheap in his words. They then walked over to their car... a Hyundai disappro I reckon they'll be buying a C3 sometime soon!

    If looks can sell a car that easily, Citroen's doing something different, and it's definately not mainstream.

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    Pugnut403:
    Now that's nice!
    What's it called?
    Will they make it?
    Its the "concept car" version of the coupe version of the forthcoming 407, Pugnut. Its currently being shown at the Franfurt Motor Show. Hard to know what it reveals about the production models. Nice though, isn't it. Its called the "Elise". You can find out a bit more about it at the link I gave in the previous post.

    Justin has already posted some other info here somewhere.

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    I would say the interior is a good clue (okay minus the silly try hard silver patterned inlays ). We were treated to a good preview of the 307's interior last time.

    I've noted the 307 steering wheel and assembly as well as those bloody COM2000 stalks Centre air vents look borrowed from a current VW Polo. Gear stick looks like the 307's auto stick fitted back to front.

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    The new 'gaping mouth' look is growing on me. Reminds me of the old GP cars, I always liked those.

    Also, the curvaceous front with the main airtake low in the bumper reminds me of what a friend working at engineering at Holden was saying a year ago - the next all new cars are going to move towards a very sloped front to assist with aero dynamics and most importantly - pedestrian safety.
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    Pedestrian safety is becoming a much more important consideration for European cars.

    You'd be surprised at how much thought goes into making the front of cars more pedestrian friendly. It's always interesting talking to car engineers, makes you appreciate the level of thought that goes into a car and the constraints they have to deal with.

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