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    What a great drive

    Hey Guys,

    Sunday I took the gf and went for a cruise to the Blue Mountains did the tourist road went on to Lithgow then towards Windsor before cutting back to Penrith for some Crispy's blush , then back home. All in all 350kms of fun. The Pug performed beautifully. Did the trip on half a tank and I wasn't dilly dallying either. A XR8 Ute "tried" to race me up the mountains but to no avail. Then after Lithgow downhill through all the twisties I had a VN "P" plater try and keep up it was a blast. As you can probably tell I don't get the chance often to throw the car around corners.

    The EBC rotors and pads were truely awesome and the new tyres despite my own reservations held up really well. Only negative was the body roll which too some people's liking, I found myself almost throwing my elbow through the window a couple of times. I'm quite big so any body roll (despite reasonable support)I tend to be thrown about.

    It was a hoot! head_ban dance

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    ahh the joys of 306gti.

    I took Old Pac hwy as my primary road towards Newcastle on Sunday to visit Andrian and Peter at their hillclimb event. keeping to within the 10km/hr of the speedlimit it turned out to be a very serene drive void of the excitement Kristian described. Double demerit weekend put an end to throwing the car into more sporty mode.
    But it really underlines just how huge is the limit of the Pug. I will miss it dearly.
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    Yeah I only saw one cop car the whole trip. I pretty much kept to the speed limit on the open road but got stuck into the twisty bits

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    tekkie:
    ahh the joys of 306gti.

    I will miss it dearly.
    WHAT do you mean, you will miss it dearly!!!!... is the 99X beast leaving the "good squishy" house hold?? - chris
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    Hey Kristian. When you say 'body roll' d'ya mean like this?? dance dance dance

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    You haven't experienced body roll until you've been in a well driven (eg thrashed) 2CV!! citroen_
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    thats not body roll....

    look <a href="http://www.aussiefrogs.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=next_topic;f=5;t=001903;go=newe r" target="_blank">here</a>

    Kristian,
    check your tyre pressures. Cold pressure should be 36. Dont trust all of the servo tyre pressure guages. I have very little body roll in my GTi.

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    36psi??? Hmm, I run 40/38 now. Although more bumps come through the car, all around it's much more stable and responsive in handling.
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    Brad:
    36psi??? Hmm, I run 40/38 now. Although more bumps come through the car, all around it's much more stable and responsive in handling.
    eek! eek! eek! eek! Just out of curiosity, what's the maximum recommended pressure for your tyres?
    Gotta be getting a bit close at that hasn't it? If so, be a bit of a worry on a fast drive on a hot day don't you think whistle

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    Brad,
    Out of interest was it hot or cold pressure?

    36 is the recommended for the GTi6. I would think S16 would be very close to it.
    Yes you are right, it makes the car very "responsive" but in most circumstances its a workaround solution to make the car feel more lively. It also prolongs the tyres on the track day events as the sidewall has less tendency to roll under.
    The down side is the lack of grip, especially in the wet, excessive tyre wear in the centre, very unpredictable car when driven hard once the tyres heat up or on a very hot day. Unless you have some special tyres... ouch. What are the tyres you have?
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    UFO:
    You haven't experienced body roll until you've been in a well driven (eg thrashed) 2CV!! citroen_
    lol,
    I thought any 2cv actually moving was, by default, being thrashed :p

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    Hmmmmm Sprinkle, Here's a little salt for the wounds DTwo just opened. roll_lau
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    Ever seen the "Top Gear" shot about the guy in the UK (Louis Barber) who does 4WD conversions?

    Now that's what a hairy drive in a 2CV would be all about.

    <a href="http://gibgib.serveftp.com:1970/CitroenMedia/2CV/" target="_blank">2CV Road test comparison.</a>

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    Alan S:
    Brad:
    36psi??? Hmm, I run 40/38 now. Although more bumps come through the car, all around it's much more stable and responsive in handling.
    eek! eek! eek! eek! Just out of curiosity, what's the maximum recommended pressure for your tyres?
    Gotta be getting a bit close at that hasn't it? If so, be a bit of a worry on a fast drive on a hot day don't you think whistle

    Alan S wink
    Many tyres now have maximum pressure ratings in excess of 50psi. Not just high performance tyres either. The economy minded Micheli Certis have a maximum pressure of 51psi. This is a far cry from just a few years ago when many tyres had a maximum pressure of only 36psi.

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    tekkie:
    Brad,
    Out of interest was it hot or cold pressure?

    36 is the recommended for the GTi6. I would think S16 would be very close to it.
    Yes you are right, it makes the car very "responsive" but in most circumstances its a workaround solution to make the car feel more lively. It also prolongs the tyres on the track day events as the sidewall has less tendency to roll under.
    The down side is the lack of grip, especially in the wet, excessive tyre wear in the centre, very unpredictable car when driven hard once the tyres heat up or on a very hot day. Unless you have some special tyres... ouch. What are the tyres you have?
    S16's tyre pressure is 33 fornt/rear i run 35 front and 33 rear, with the current suspention.
    But i agree whole hartedly about the gauge thing, as tekkie mentioned. - chris
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    Dave,

    The reason I mentioned the maximum pressure is that if tyres are being checked & filled at cold, and if that pressure is just sub max recommended, then we get a screamer of a hot day, which we get up here, and it gets so hot that we have bitumen melting (not all that uncommon) and the car is taken for a long hike, what will the pressure build up to?
    I keep a very close check on my tyres & recently after a couple of reasonably quick 100 klms runs, I noticed the car doing a bunny hop sideways around a fast corner. When I got home, I found a 10psi discrepancy that I could only account for as being heat build up.

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    Alan S:
    . When I got home, I found a 10psi discrepancy that I could only account for as being heat build up.

    Alan S
    Geez, it must get hot up there. That's a BIG jump in pressure. It's a point worth keeping in mind for us southerners, if we travel into hotter parts of the country during summer.

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    What do you guys use then if you don't trust the pressure gauge at the servo? Do you buy your own from somewhere?
    I had a friend drive my car recently, for about 20secs, and he thinks the pug is shit for corners, told me it had way to much body roll, and his '93 bluebird could do a lot better. Yes I laughed in his face. Loudly.
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    Gem,

    yup, get your own tyre pressure. Spend about $30 for one with a round dial and hose attachement. The el-cheapo Kmart guages seem to stick and with a hint of tapping reveal another randomly selected number in the vicinity of the true value.

    And when checking the tyre pressure always do it before driving anywhere. You can have upto 10psi difference after a spirited run. 5psi differences is pretty common after driving on twisty roads. 45psi is pretty much the limit your tyres will work ok, but expect bunny hops and unpredictable back end oversteer.
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    [/qb][/QUOTE]Geez, it must get hot up there. That's a BIG jump in pressure. It's a point worth keeping in mind for us southerners, if we travel into hotter parts of the country during summer.

    Dave[/QB][/QUOTE]

    Going back a couple of years now, I had to do a round trip to the Sunshine Coast (about 5 hours in all.) I was in the CX, hence no air/con. I pulled in at a servo out Noosaville way just in time to see a car pull out of the driveway in a rush. The servo attendant told me he was on his way to Nambour Hospital as they had stopped outside on a bitumen driveway, the backseat passenger had got out barefoot, landed on the bitumen & literally screamed. The skin had blistered off the soles of his feet. (Makes you blood run cold just thinking about it) cry cry By the time I was nearly home, one of my sons who came for the drive was sitting in the back seat with all windows down & his feet on the seat due to the heat coming through the floor off the road. In a CX THAT'S bloody hot as they have about 2" of foam underlay.
    When we reached Maryborough we commented on how much cooler it seemed by comparison to Maroochydore and the guy came on teh radio to announce that the temp had fallen in the past half hour & it was now ONLY 39 degrees eek! eek!
    So as I say, when we have a hot day; we have a hot day!!

    My recent one was nowhere near that temp but it was around 30 with 4 passengers & a boot of luggage in the BX.

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    I have Falken Azenis SP115's.

    I bought a fairly decent guadge from Supercheap. It a clock type. I compared it to the guadge Bob Jane used when I got a puncture fixed and it was spot on. I NEVER trust server guadges, one up the road from me reads 11PSI over!!!

    I used to run 36/34 until I went to QR and they said you have to run over 40 otherwise you risk the tyres rolling off the rim. I took a reading when I got back in from 10 laps of QR and they were 49PSI and that wasn't even a very hot day.
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    Ever thought about getting Janes to fill them with nitrogen to reduce that pressure jump from happening? whistle
    They used to charge about $2 a tyre I think.
    Failing that, if you know any fridge mechanics, they often have a bottle of nitro rolling around in the back of their service vans. whistle wink wink

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    Alan S:
    Failing that, if you know any fridge mechanics, they often have a bottle of nitro rolling around in the back of their service vans. whistle wink wink

    Alan S cheers!
    We *are* talking about nitroglycerine here aren't we wink wink wink

    Yikes!

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    We *are* talking about nitroglycerine here aren't we wink wink wink Yikes! Derek cheers!
    Could be Nitrous Oxide System (NOS) ... either way it'll give your car a bit more of a BANG

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