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    Performance Brake Pads.

    I'm up for brake pads on the front of the MI16. What type would you guys recommend? Keep in mind, I plan to do a bit of club work with the car very soon.

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    Seems to be the common opinion of having seperate pads for the track, OEM's or green stuff seem to be fine for road use and red stuff for the track. You'll probably go through a set of front OEM's at the track...
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    Bendix pads are usually pretty good.

    Not to sure about the Bendix Ultamates though, they're a pretty hard compound pad, and only really start working after they heat up.
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    I use EBC Greenstuff on my 205 GTi. A definite improvement in braking power and feel over the worn OE pads.
    Really good and log wearing, also being kevlar based there's 1/2 as much brake dust as some other pads, good news when you have to keep cleaning your front wheels.

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    What do the Wuillemins use?

    Their thing goes pretty quick, by all accounts...

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    From recent Targa NZ spectator tour experience of fast driving but starting from cold, OE Pug pads are great with race type rotors(mine are Bradi grooved).For mostly road use that gives an excellent pedal, firm with no fade.
    For Targa NZ I have had Mintex intermediates(metallic content) bonded & riveted to Pug 405 backing plates, using max pad area by removing the low level warning wire & putting pad there instead. These need proper bedding in and must be run hot-only suitable for track/rally use.
    Happy stopping!!

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    apparently Green stuff pads aren't very good on the standard rotors on a 306 as they're quite abrasive. I'll be switching my pads to EBC or the like when I change the rotors to a different non-OEM brand.
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    i've got greenstuff on my back with standard rotors, and the rotors look all scratched, not smooth at all!!! going to replace them one day with ebc rotors.

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    I use EBC Green's on the front. The disks have got lines in them, but no ridge has been carved in the outter edge. These have a lot more stopping power when warmed up, but lack the feel of the OEM's when cold. For road use I couldn't see why you would need anything more than Greens in EBC, the Reds would really need some heat to stop.

    My rears need changing now so I will prol go the EBC's for the rear.
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    Where do I get them Brad?

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    I notice that most responders are keen on EBC rotors. In NZ the EBC grooved rotor for Mi16 was about $80 each more expensive than Bradi(Italian), so i suggest you check out Bradi for cost(sold here by Brembo agent).You could be saving heaps.

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    Cal:
    Where do I get them Brad?

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    I get someof my stuff through Guy Harding, at Harding European

    <a href="http://www.hardingeuropean.com" target="_blank">http://www.hardingeuropean.com</a>

    i know he Sells them, has some info on his webpage about them too!

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    Mi16freak:
    I notice that most responders are keen on EBC rotors. In NZ the EBC grooved rotor for Mi16 was about $80 each more expensive than Bradi(Italian), so i suggest you check out Bradi for cost(sold here by Brembo agent).You could be saving heaps.
    Thanks! I'll probably switch to DBA (Disk Bakes Australia) rotors for my car with the EBC pads. What pads are you running on your Bradi rotors?
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    Hi
    I am using Pug OE pads with Bradi rotors, gives a much superior pedal to the OE rotors and fantastic stopping from 185kph on Pukekohe track!

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    Cal - I got mine through Nick Watson of Pug-Action

    <a href="http://www.pugaction.com/contact.html#" target="_blank">http://www.pugaction.com/contact.html#</a>

    $150 for a front set, only $20 more then the OEM's
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    Mi16freak:
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    I am using Pug OE pads with Bradi rotors, gives a much superior pedal to the OE rotors and fantastic stopping from 185kph on Pukekohe track!
    ahhh, ok, can't find a distributor in australia for them...any websites in NZ, just curious to see if they make them for the GTi6
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    Thanks for the advice guys. Harding European quoted me $121 for Greenstuff front pads and $95 for rears. EBC stock rotors are $89ea and the slotted competition ones are $195ea. Big difference. Gerrald Cullen told me he has tried most pad/disc combinations and reckons the comp rotors with Peugeot pads are the go. He uses them at Targa. Best lasting and stopping power. I'm waiting on a price.

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    Be good to see who comes up with the best deal/combo

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    Cal, if you are getting some greenstuff I need rears pads. Where is that company based? If it's postal we can split the postage.
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    Hi GTI 124
    The NZ agent for Bradi and Brembo is Race Brakes Ltd, Auckland.
    email is "sales @0800brakes.co.nz" ask for Steve.
    They are good guys to deal with and will certainly be able to access 306GTi 6 rotors, lead time being about 7 days ex Italy.
    With your exchange rate, the cost should be very appealing and air/sea parcel post would get them to you pretty quickly.
    And believe me, they work beautifully with with OE pads, as Gerald Cullen suggests. Gerald has been a huge help in preparing my Targa Mi16 car, and i met him in Noosa last September while on holiday.

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    Too right, Gerald is the man! He's been helping me with my car for years. Who else better to listen to than someone who runs an MI16 at Targa. Very successfully I might add. I'm glad to hear he has been a big help to you also. I ended up going with the standard Pug pads and will think about the EBC rotors while I finish killing the old ones. Mi6freak, have you disconnected the ABS on your car, or doesn't it have it?

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    Thanks, just sent them a note. Also chasing up DBA and seeing if I can find myself an Australian distributor for Bradi.

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    Hi Cal
    The ABS on all NZ new Mi16's up to about 1992/93 were removed by Peugeot dealers. All 3 16's I have owned have had no sign of it but have had good braking. The Bradi grooved rotors I have fitted were beautifully machined and are very smooth in operation. They cost NZ165.00+GST each side, from memory.
    I took my cyl. head into an engine builder today for polishing/porting, will have the porting extended into both inlet manifold(A Weber, by the way) and the exhaust headers as appropriate. This fellow is a legend, and has recently polished the 205T16 WRC Group B head from the Targa entrant car.
    He was most impressed with its characteristics.
    I have asked for improved mid range torque/power and have decided against bigger inlet valves for now. I have provided him with the "Puma Racing" UK head work notes. It seems he had not done a 16v Pug head until the 205T16 one recently. But he has a legendary reputation with Escort heads.
    Just as an aside- I spotted a V10 head on a bench, and asked if it was a Viper head. Yep it was, from a supercharged Viper motor. Imagine trying to control that power round corners. Not for this baby!.
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    Guys
    Have just talked to the engine builder about polishing/porting head of Mi16 & he asked what the compression ratio was. That has me stuck, as i have 'she who must be obeyed's 205 CTi at work today, so no access to hanbook/ref. books, etc.
    Can someone advise Comp. ratio of '89 Mi16 1.9 Please? I want to run motor on 98 RON pump u/l fuel, so dont want to risk pinking.
    Has any one done a head job and can make an "experienced comment' on what if any increase can safely be made?

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    I wonder why they removed the ABS?? I hate it and want to disconnect it on my car. I keeps fighting against me when one wheel is in the air. It is bloody dangerous. I'll be the judge of when I want to use the brakes!. I believe I can just remove a relay to disconnect it.

    Let me know how the head goes.

    Also, did you have to put bonnet pins on your car?

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