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    New VW Golf

    Seeing we often have chats about various small family hatches, just wondering what people think about the new VW Golf V.

    <img src="http://news.kak.net/bilder/vw/vw_golfny04s.jpg" alt=" - " />

    <img src="http://news.kak.net/bilder/vw/vw_golfny03s.jpg" alt=" - " />

    Some interesting features - climate control selects recirculation if you reverse. Personally that's a bit gimmicky, but I like the feature that selects recirculation when you activate the windscreen washers, a feature I've only come across in a few Swedish cars.

    They've managed to fit 4 way lumbar support. Seems a bit excessive if you ask me.

    6 speed auto/manual. Engines seem a lot better. Hope the suspension is fixed up. Very 307 like dimensions.

    More info in the article <a href="http://news.kak.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=news&file=article&sid= 871&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0" target="_blank">here</a>.

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    even though it's a VW at least it looks better than the 307
    like to see a true road test between the two cars
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    even though it's a VW at least it looks better than the 307
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    Looks a bit clio like with the shape of those headlights.
    The rear lights look also a bit polo like to me...But it looks pretty nice.. 2_cents

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    I like it. It certainly is 307-like in shape isn't it? I love the first photo

    Climate control selects recirculate on reverse? Wow. That would be very noticeable in a diesel.... where the exhaust odour is much stronger and more pungent than in a petrol.

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    I wonder if we'll ever go back to the days when functional was more important than gimmicky and all cars don't look the same? cry moon 2_cents

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    I think it's a natural progression for the Golf and looks quite neat. Don't forget that everyone wants to catch up to the sales levels of the Golf in Europe. 307 is obviously going after that market, as is new Astra. So we're all going to get this tall boy shape as they compete for the family hatch market. Even new Megane uses the same basic design principles. I don't think it's *that* fair to be whinging about such designs...IMO.

    I'll be interested to see what that rear suspension feels like, considering the current Golf handles like a dog's breakfast. The rear on the current Golf does absolutely nothing around corners. To me that's typical German suspension set up, so I wonder if a multi-link will make it handle more like Focus and 307?

    Some of those features are very gimmicky, but there were some gimmicky things in the current Golf which were pretty cool. It's not like there's a massive price premium for these extra creature comforts...as long as they can keep the weight down.
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    GTI124:
    Don't forget that everyone wants to catch up to the sales levels of the Golf in Europe.
    Actually GTI, the Peugeot 206 has already dethroned the Golf as the best selling car in Europe. See <a href="http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_19/b3832056_mz014.htm" target="_blank">http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_19/b3832056_mz014.htm</a>

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    It all looks rather ho-hum to me, doesn't evoke any sort of excitement at all.

    It's great to see that they are setting new standards with the 6 speed auto though. Whether it is a good thing though, I'll have to wait and see.

    Keen to see interior shots. Especially keen to see if they bring the diesel into Aus.

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    It's great to see that they are setting new standards with the 6 speed auto though. Whether it is a good thing though, I'll have to wait and see.
    Depends on the ratios ... sometimes they are just too close - and while that's OK for racing ... it's not tops for around town. Sometimes I wish I had an extra long cruising gear (greater then 5th).. something that was useless under 90kph - but great for cruisin' at 100+ ... drop the revs from the 3000+ to the 2600 mark @ 100kph - the Pug engines should have enough torque for that.

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    Rod Hagen:
    GTI124:
    Don't forget that everyone wants to catch up to the sales levels of the Golf in Europe.
    Actually GTI, the Peugeot 206 has already dethroned the Golf as the best selling car in Europe. See <a href="http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_19/b3832056_mz014.htm" target="_blank">http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_19/b3832056_mz014.htm</a>

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    Yep, I gathered that they were no longer the top. I'm pretty sure Focus outsells it too. But for a long time they were the leader, and it's still a matter of catching up to the standards set by Golf. The Mark IV, as much as I didn't like how it handled, is a very nice car. A very nice cabin and neat styling.

    Sorry, I didn't mean it literally, was more of a general trend I was commenting on
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    These pictures remind me of the current Corolla. Especially the front pic, it looks just like a Corolla with Avensis headlights.

    I guess there's not much difference in shape and proportions between 307, Corolla, Civic and now Golf.

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    As I stare at the new golf pic I find myself fighting off......sleep

    It does look like the fussiest detailed golf yet though wink

    Let's hope it's a more interesting drive than the current model....

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    What happened to selecting recirculation when it detects a Mitsubishi in front?

    Talking of gimmicks, but useful ones, the current Nissan Primera's cruise control has a radar that detects when you're too close to the car in front, and slows the car, then speeds up to your preset speed when there's space again. Probably see it in a Renault, then...

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    Stuey,

    That radar technology has been in some of the oil tankers (I think BP were going to be first from memory) as part of an overall safety & security system.
    In their case, it also included a tracking system to try & prevent hi-jackings & other illegal activities and the intention was to try & bring it in on all semis. That was the story a truckie working for BP told us a few years ago.
    Judging on the tailgating & speed of some of those trucks I see on the Bruce Highway I can only conclude that it has been dropped as an idea or they've found a way of overriding it. disappro mallet mallet

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    Peugeot have been playing with this stuff for som,e years. Check out <a href="http://www.peugeot-avenue.com/innovation/en/secu_udc.htm" target="_blank">http://www.peugeot-avenue.com/innovation/en/secu_udc.htm</a>

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    Stuey:
    What happened to selecting recirculation when it detects a Mitsubishi in front?

    good point...

    Talking of gimmicks, but useful ones, the current Nissan Primera's cruise control has a radar that detects when you're too close to the car in front, and slows the car, then speeds up to your preset speed when there's space again. Probably see it in a Renault, then...

    Mercedes pioneered that in road cars for the current S Class, good for setting the cruise at 200 kph+ on ze autobarns!

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    Stuey:
    What happened to selecting recirculation when it detects a Mitsubishi in front?
    You can add Toyota Landcruisers to that as well !!!

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    ...MMMMMM... id preffer a R32. Ill tell more once i drive one. cheers chris
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    Rod Hagen:
    Peugeot have been playing with this stuff for som,e years. Check out <a href="http://www.peugeot-avenue.com/innovation/en/secu_udc.htm" target="_blank">http://www.peugeot-avenue.com/innovation/en/secu_udc.htm</a>

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    Yeah, so have Merc Benz, but I though it was pretty good in a production car. The tester said is worked well, too, which I wouldn't expect. I imaginged it would be a gimmick that you wouldn't use. The guy said it took some getting used to, though, allowing the car to slow and speed up on it's own. Stu.


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    XTC206:
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    even though it's a VW at least it looks better than the 307
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    Hahah, it's about styling. Styling is a personal thing, so let it be - each one to their own.

    Plus, I know ol pugrambo and the 307 aren't the best of mates wink

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    Alan S:
    I wonder if we'll ever go back to the days when functional was more important than gimmicky and all cars don't look the same? cry moon 2_cents

    Alan S
    Actually, I think most of the small hatches put function before form - that's exactly the reason why all the cars seem so similar. The market wants space - and this is how you get it.

    The trend towards taller cars has been around for quite some time. When the 206 was launched, there were two points made about its design - large windshield and its height. Unlike some other cars, it did hide its height pretty well, but that's one of the reasons why a 206 feels roomier inside than the Clio. Actually, I'd probably say one of the leaders in this field was the bubble Mazda 121 - a roomy car for its size (and better looking than its loaf of bread lookalike successor)

    I suspect you wouldn't be caught dead in a Honda Civic hatch, but that's a perfect example of how this design works at its best (granted it does have a 10cm length advantage). The car is simply huge inside - why bother with a Falcadore.

    These are small cars that big people can fit in - fit in without feeling you're in a small car. A 307 actually feels roomier up front than the 406.

    Anyway, being a Citroen man, how can you not love gimmicks

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    GTI124:
    I think it's a natural progression for the Golf and looks quite neat. Don't forget that everyone wants to catch up to the sales levels of the Golf in Europe. 307 is obviously going after that market, as is new Astra. So we're all going to get this tall boy shape as they compete for the family hatch market. Even new Megane uses the same basic design principles. I don't think it's *that* fair to be whinging about such designs...IMO.
    As I mentioned above, they do have their value, especially when done well. Just remember, in Europe, these are family cars - not just the second family car shopping trolley for the wife. I know people that have been sold on the 307 because it doesn't feel small up front.

    Of course they do have their downsides - a higher centre of gravity was the reason why the 307 had to have more understeer engineered into it.

    GTI124:
    I'll be interested to see what that rear suspension feels like, considering the current Golf handles like a dog's breakfast. The rear on the current Golf does absolutely nothing around corners. To me that's typical German suspension set up, so I wonder if a multi-link will make it handle more like Focus and 307?
    <img src="http://vwvortex.rely.net/artman/uploads/008__scaled_600.jpg" alt=" - " />

    This is the new 4 link setup they're using. It doesn't seem to offer much suspension travel.

    In regards to the current car - just remember Golfs were using torsion beam axles before. Golfs weren't always considered boring - GTi actually meant something. Somehow, even Wheels though the Golf III GL was better sorted out than the 306 XT (well, they were the only one I recall that said that )

    Torsion beams are very common and can work well, they won't have the same sophistication as a multi link. Just remember the system used in the 306 (and numerous other FWD Pugs) is basically the same thing - only the "beam" becomes the spring (ie. torsion bars), and the coil springs disappear.

    Legions of cars use torsion beams - that's what the Clio Sport has too. You'll find them in lots of different cars, mainly small, but they have found themselves into larger cars. The first Audi A6 (well, rebadged Audi 100) used a torsion beam. Nowadays, it's just seen as "not good enough" in the luxury market to have a torsion beam.

    GTI124:
    Some of those features are very gimmicky, but there were some gimmicky things in the current Golf which were pretty cool. It's not like there's a massive price premium for these extra creature comforts...as long as they can keep the weight down.
    Yep - the current Corolla is the only newish small car that I think has been successful with weight - every other car seems to have become porky.

    Overseas Golfs command a premium, especially on the used market. It's this attention to detail and quality that allows them to do so, and dealers love to show off about it. The cords in the hatshelf that retract, side mirrors that adjust simultaneously, damped everything, chrome gas struts, fully finished paintwork, even in the sills, almost everywhere you can look etc.

    There are two ways you can go about the cars. The accountants will tell you to cut costs, but something has to give. Instead, VW has gone the reverse way, they've tried to improve perceived quality (the marketers rejoice!), and can charge a premium for it (more so in overseas markets, but the AU second hand market shows this too).

    I once recall reading an article about Mercedes that said. If we spend $1000 extra per car on engineering, we can charge an extra $10,000 per car.

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    macquered:
    It all looks rather ho-hum to me, doesn't evoke any sort of excitement at all..
    Golfs never really looked that exciting. They're very evolutionary designs - you can look at the car and say that's a Golf. The IV is pretty conservative looking, but it's a smart looking car.

    macquered:
    It's great to see that they are setting new standards with the 6 speed auto though. Whether it is a good thing though, I'll have to wait and see.
    A 6 speed auto is brilliant - most in this size class haven't even managed 5 speeds yet! I wonder how the gearbox fits across the car and how it affects the turning circle.

    macquered:
    Keen to see interior shots. Especially keen to see if they bring the diesel into Aus.
    Agreed. Even today, many speak highly of the now 5 year old Golf IV's interior - the new one should only be better.

    They have some impressive diesels - even in the current Golf. Noisier than the French ones, but the performance is better.

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    Stuey:
    Talking of gimmicks, but useful ones, the current Nissan Primera's cruise control has a radar that detects when you're too close to the car in front, and slows the car, then speeds up to your preset speed when there's space again. Probably see it in a Renault, then...
    The Primera has quite a few gimmicks. Like a Boeing 777-300, it too has a video camera onboard to help you manouvre

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