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    QR Sprints - the way it happened

    Well I just got back from Queensland Raceway where Cal, Neil, JR and I spent half a day laying rubber and brake dust over the track.

    I must say firstly that it was more awesome than I ever imagined. The Pug was brilliant to drive, very predictable and fun, though the rubber gave up the ghost quite early. Tyres are now quite screwed and the brakes took a beating, with about 1/4 of them used up just today, though when you see that there are really only 3 hard braking points it's quite a bit.

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    Cal had his riced Sprinter out there again, though put us all to shame with low 1:05's on the first run. Didn't get to see his times from the second run, though he was confident he went into the 1:04's. Remarkable times given a GT40 was lapping in 1:00's.

    Neil in his 205Mi16 was struggling most of the day with poor rubber and oil pickup problems, but persevered and notched up a high 1:08, while JR was doing similar times in his 205 Mi16.

    My first run was quite traffic free with my best time a 1:09.81. The second run was much better as I was did not drop into 2nd in several spots like I was on the first run, and I was generally refining the lines of the corners and braking later. My best time in this run was 1:08.32.

    With the current setup, I can see several points where I can improve. I should be able to carry in 10-15km/h more speed into turn 1 and I need to ease off on the lock when it's understeering out of a corner. I found I was giving it more lock to try to bring it in, only to loose speed.

    Chipper and Paul (his brother) dropped in and Alan Moore was there, though I didn't get a chance to have a chat.

    Now...to decide which rubber I should get next.
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    I agree Brad, good time had by all and it was good to have a few pugs there.
    Got home and checked my times b4 binning them and my best was a 1;07:54 which am pretty happy with
    considering the difference between the very 1st
    lap and the best lap [lap 12 ] was a good 5 seconds. Alot was learnt me tinks today.

    My biggest learn was to put enough petrol in the thing so as not to get stuttering in the corner as i did many a time. Bloody 205 instruments!!
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    Good effort guys. Don't forgot the windage tray/sump baffle though, or there may not be a next time. As Adrian said in another post, if you fit sticky tyres you'll definitely need one. The fuel surge was probably good protection.

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    I agree the afternoon was a blast. dance

    My best lap time was set early in the second session with a 1;08.42 after that I just started to experience two things. mallet

    1. 4 year old Bridgestone G-Grids are scheizanhousen and when pushed through turn 1 at 140Km they let go in a big way with the end result in me being very close to filling my shorts. JR was just in front of me and had a good side profile of a 205gti. The encouraging thing is that the Pug is so predictable and I caught the slide without any trouble. One of the main problems with my suspension at the moment is that I left the back at standard hight so I will for next time in 2 months time drop the back.

    2. Oil surge is a big problem even with the scheizanhousen tyres. In turn seven which is a critical corner as it leads onto the full straight of Queensland raceway. The lead up to the corner has a hard right the flicks back to a hard left and onto the final corner which is a 180deg hard right. At the start of this section the oil pressure started at 5 bar and by the time I was mid corner of the last corner it had dropped to less than 2 bar. The end result was that I was backing off through this section as I have only had the car running for less than 400Km and did not fancy rebuilding this early.

    So for next time I will have my new 15inch wheels that I picked up yesterday with good rubber fitted. The rear suspension will be dropped and a baffled sump will be fitted. Oh yeh I did not get a chance to fix the rev limiter so I was only pulling 6000RPM which will also be fixed for next time. spanner spanner

    All in all a great day was had. After the last run Cal and I were speaking to a few people and you can hire the track for a half day for $1000. So a future pug day is on the card.

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    Just to let you know Cal did put his supercharged sprinter around the track in a mid 1;04.00 which on the day was a quick as an M3 peddled by an X formula ford driver so a good effort.

    However rest assured fellow puggers on the way home we lined up for a mini drag and there is nothing in it. So when the pug is sorted I will be aiming to lap as quick if not quicker.

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    I'll hold you to that. deal
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    Sounds like you all had a blast!!! well done boys.
    How good is it to push yourself and the S16 brad?... im hooked and id like to try the Qld circuit.
    Both me and Tekkie can do 1:17's at Wakefield, compare that to V8 Brute Utes which are in the 1:14's and driven by top aussie drivers then 17's aren't to bad.
    Good to hear you had agood time though.-chris
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    I was there in the morning with the BMW club in my 306, (my BMW will never get finished it seems) running on the long national circuit, that is extremely hard on brakes. I had not seen your circuit used before. There were no official times as it is driver training, to reduce insurance and CAMS fees. I ran 1.35, whereas the quickest E46 M3 was 1.27, but they do have a distinct advantage on those very long straights. Overall the 306 was very pleasing, given a standard car, with standard Continental tyres. I was only seeing 150 on the front straight,170 on the back, and 135 through turn 1. I would think a morning would be a lot more than 1K. What does your Sprint cost and what do you get?
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    Neil,
    if you start getting serious, you may find it cheaper, more convenient and give lower overall gearing, to run 14". I run 185/60/14 Formula R's on S1 rims. The S1 rims are cheap to buy and you wouldn't want to run the sticky tyres on the road anyway.

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    The sprint days are $40 for the session and $25 for the second. The third is free if there is time. If you don't have a CAMS licence it will cost $30 for a year QR licence.

    When you start adding up the cost of brakes and tyres it does start to look expensive but damn fun.
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    Brad, the best bet is not to add it up. It is still cheaper than karting though.

    Had another awesome day. It was great to see so many Pugs out there. Once I have a new clutch, I'll give the Mi16 a run. The Toyota is just so much fun to drive around there though.

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    How many laps in a session? Do you always use that circuit?
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    I think it's 7 laps a round. [*snip* Repeated something Brad said earlier :p ]

    Found out today my boss (drives one of the new minis) went out with a few of his friends (one of which drives a loud Corvette). It's the second time they've been and they're hooked. Might take the pug out next sprint day. You guys thinking of going again next month?

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    Zen, you will have to come out next time. Don't know whether I'll be there next month though.

    What times did your friends do?
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    My boss was in the 12's (running on 175 road tires), the guy in the Corvette was doing 1:01's. Jamboree is on the same day as the next sprint round, could be an interesting day.

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    1.01's......oh my! That is really moving.

    Unfortunately I will be in Sydney for a wedding when the next one is on. I'm there for the Oct and Nov meetings though.

    Cheers,

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    Mind you, it's a Corvette with some bullsh*t power output (over 500bhp from what I've heard ), full racing slicks and lots of stuff done to it.

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    damn you little pugs Good work!

    i was out there in my brothers r33 skyline GTst. and the best time i could manage was a 1.09.04 (first time on the track).

    i checked out some of the 205 16v. now you got me thinking about my 205 (which currently has a very tired 260,000plus engine).

    i noticed 1 of the 205s had standard front brakes. how do you find them? do you have drums on the back?

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    Zen:
    Mind you, it's a Corvette with some bullsh*t power output (over 500bhp from what I've heard ), full racing slicks and lots of stuff done to it.

    Rich
    Oh.....he's on slicks. Slicks are worth 2-3 seconds around there I reckon. Mmmmmm slicks.....that would be nice. I suppose the Toyota is good for 1.02's-1.03's with some sticky rubber. Who knows.

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    Hi Felix

    That was me with the 205/mi16 on standard brakes. The fronts will need work but as for the rears they were fine. It was our first time on the track and I think all were happy with their times in the 1:07/1:08 times. Next event that I think allot of us will be attending will be the October event so bring the 205 for a few laps. head_ban

    Chipper will be most likely be out there with his standard 205 so you will have a good guide to race against.

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    yep ! i'll be there in the October one....with bells on! jr
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    If only Australia wasnt as big as it is! We could all get together and have a blast. I will get to Brosbane one day and race with yas.

    Niel, how were the Konis and at what settings did you have them at?
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    bah big. Parry let make a trip. I'll bring the swift. Will ur race pug be registered?
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    Parry,

    forgot to add some similes to motivate you to come along.

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    Given enough notice il join in... could well be worth it.-chris

    ps, i might treat the s16 as trailer bitch and haul it up on the train though. 14 hours drive on a sparco race seat is a kiler!lol.
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