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    Can't stand reverse parking?

    I wonder if this idea would be a godsend for those in the driving public who can't reverse park. Toyota's launching a Prius with an automatic self parking system.

    I wonder how long it will be till we have cars that drive themselves? Already we have throttle by wire, brake by wire and I'm sure steer by wire is on its way too. Imagine the day when we'll miss driving

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    I wonder how long it will be till we have cars that drive themselves?
    We've had something similar for quite some time, Justin.

    Called "trains", from memory. wink

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    youd need one in a citron xsara... its rear c-pillar's as long as the berlin wall so seeing out back is ridiculous and changing lanes is absolutely suicidal!
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    pugjet:
    youd need one in a citron xsara... its rear c-pillar's as long as the berlin wall so seeing out back is ridiculous and changing lanes is absolutely suicidal!
    erm - if you're looking over your shoulder *that* far when changing lanes that's dangerous in itself. Sounds like you need to wind your side mirrors out a *long* way pugjet. If you can see the side of your car in your mirrors they are too far in. Mirrors too far in creates a huge blind-spot. Wind them out and you should never have to look over your shoulder again. Another strange fact about Australian licencing - why are car drivers taught to look over their shoulder, but truck drivers are told not to do so? In fact it's generally impossible... looking over your shoulder in most trucks and utes will have you looking straight at a body panel, not through glass.

    The 306's C-pillar is almost as large as the Xsara's one.

    I did see the article about the Prius parking system. Sounds interesting... the engineer said it can follow white lines so technically could drive the car if the road markings were perfect.

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    yeah, well even when the side mirrors are cocked at full stretch, i'd still do a head check, but i see your point (pardon the pun).

    the visibility out of a 306 is helped largely by its massive rear window. the xsara is disadvantaged by its letter box slit rear window and tree trunk c-pillars. maybe its just me blush

    anyhow, wonder if these types of technology only end up imparing drivers i.e. the general public becomes too reliant on such things.

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    i find that people who hate reverse parking are generally poor drivers.....if you can not reverse park u should not be licenced....hell...if one can not deal with parking at 5kmh speeds, we can just imagine HOW good (read bad) these people are at accident avoidance and general defensive driving...these people should stick to trains...and that includes my mother in law...she just drives around till she finds a really long space or angle park....its sad....she drives 2 minutes to get to a shop....then she parks (what feels like) five minutes away....the only people i c buying this feature are those who would like 2 show off the feature to their pensioner friends (nothing to be proud of really)....

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    dino:
    i find that people who hate reverse parking are generally poor drivers......
    It's simply practise. Nothing else comes in to it.

    If you do them all the time, then naturally you're going to be good at them.

    If you live and work in an area where you never have to do them, ever, then naturally you're going to be bad at them. The exception to this is just after you get your licence, when you're still good at doing them because you've been practising them for the past 12 months in order to get your licence.

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    pugjet:
    youd need one in a citron xsara... its rear c-pillar's as long as the berlin wall so seeing out back is ridiculous and changing lanes is absolutely suicidal!
    no problems... i find it pretty easy to park. the little rear window isn't really an issue cause there is no boot overhang to worry about hitting stuff.

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    dino:
    i find that people who hate reverse parking are generally poor drivers.....
    Haha..generally agree...
    I find that people who are poor drivers also cannot reverse straight at slightly higher speeds (10km/h) for say 5 car spaces on quiet suburban roads...

    Personally I think all the sensors and automation just reduces human's skills and alertness. Like people who are used to reverse sensors often reverse blindly(ie without looking back) and recklessly (as the sensors will warn them). But I often hear firsthand reports that they feel lost and helpless when they are behind the wheel of a car without the sensors. (yet they are used to reversing blind and reckless)

    It is a trend into the future, makes life easier and reduces number of errors (as in most cases human error are the greatest risk). Like the new jumbo planes, they fly and land themselves,, just need to enter a destination airport... Pilots are just there to "watch over" computers...

    Look on the bright side...perhaps we will get less bad drivers bumping into and scratching our beloved cars?? They should also have a sensor and mechanised door to prevent careless people dinging other cars as well....preferably fitted with an electric arm that extends out and slaps them on the face...

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    Try doing them in the city and around the inner city such as Newtown its a nightmare.
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    [QBI find that people who are poor drivers also cannot reverse straight at slightly higher speeds (10km/h) for say 5 car spaces on quiet suburban roads...[/QB]
    These are the same people who can't push a shopping trolley around without bumping into you, reversing into you, cutting you off, or letting their trolley ram into your car (a person did this to my 206 not long ago ... if I found out who it was I would have ripped them a new A-Hole !!)

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    danielsydney:
    Try doing them in the city and around the inner city such as Newtown its a nightmare.
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    Easy, you just drive something larger like an XM and bluff the bastards! It's amazing where that car will fit in when I try. dance

    We have a committee meeting in Enmore this Friday night and that should present a challenge finding a parking spot. Hmmmmmm
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    davemcbean:
    It's simply practise. Nothing else comes in to it.
    If you do them all the time, then naturally you're going to be good at them.
    I agree, the only car I drove while on my Ls and Ps was my dad's XF Falcon wagon, and because of its size, the easiest way to get into parkings was to reverse park. I became a gun at reverse parking, all of my friends we're really impressed at the way I could back such a huge car into a parking so easily.

    But it did take practice (and backing into the side of a series 2 Jaguar XJ6 eek! eek! ) before I learnt to position the car correctly and reverse park properly.

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    Pug307:

    I wonder how long it will be till we have cars that drive themselves? Already we have throttle by wire, brake by wire and I'm sure steer by wire is on its way too. Imagine the day when we'll miss driving
    Yeah, i get spoilt at work with all these fancy gozmoed S class's and 7 sereis. The one thing that is lacking the FUN factor in most very modern cars.
    Its like when i used to love my simple little atari, and now we have X's-box and watever. They are more about themselves than fun or entertaiment. And don't get me stated on bloody mobiles!-chris

    ps- i really miss driving. Hence im even more eager to start Go-Karting
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    I can reverse park but I am not very good at it. I don
    t like to do it but i find that when u have to I normally am able to rise to the challange after a few attempts

    Can't reverse in a straight line for the life of me though
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    I'll pick backing in 9/10 cases ... at work I back in each day .. that way I can pick a park with a wall so close to the passenger side that I can almost open the drivers door 100% .. means the person on the other side of me has a massive space and isn't likely to open their door on me ... I always get the same parks cause if you drive into them you can't get out the drivers side, so everyone avoids those parks ... good for me though. (makes for a quicker get away after work too

    As for backing in general .. plenty of practice backing with 6x4', 8x5' and car trailers makes backing a car a sinch ...

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    Pug307:

    I wonder how long it will be till we have cars that drive themselves? Already we have throttle by wire, brake by wire and I'm sure steer by wire is on its way too. Imagine the day when we'll miss driving
    Yeah, i get spoilt at work with all these fancy gozmoed S class's and 7 sereis. The one thing that is lacking the FUN factor in most very modern cars.
    Just by the way, one of the current Citroen "concept" cars already has "steer by wire".

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    As for backing in general .. plenty of practice backing with 6x4', 8x5' and car trailers makes backing a car a sinch ...
    Really??? You can back a 6x4 question Gimme a car trailer or 8' x 6' or caravan anyday and I'll back it anywhere for you. Gimme a bloody 6'x4' and you hear me explode at the bloody thing before getting out unhitching the [email protected][email protected] of a thing and pushing it where I want it ... How can you back something you can't bloody see (or should I say you can only see it when it's to late ie: the mongrel thing already turned to far to 'catch' mallet ).

    Maybe I should put a couple of bike flags or something on the back corners of the trialer so I can see it

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    DoubleChevron:
    Really??? You can back a 6x4 question
    Maybe I should put a couple of bike flags or something on the back corners of the trialer so I can see it seeya, Shane L.
    Yes the 6x4's (especially the short draw ones) are a total b!tch to park, but if you take a hint from your own advise (the flag thing ...) you'll be surprised how much easier it is.

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