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    Opinions on Yokohama A539 tyres

    I'm tossing up whether to go for these as my next tyres.

    My question is how quickly do they go "off" (age harden) and what is the wear rate.

    I know they're softer than many other touring type tyres and have heard of them wearing out in less than 20,000km on the front of a FWD car.

    My 505 is RWD however and I think I should be OK for wear if I run them for 12 months on the front, then put them on the back and put new ones on the front again. This way I might get 40,000km out of softish touring tyres and the important front tyres will always be newish with deep tread and won't have hardened too much.

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    505s and 504s are very kind on their front tyres, but wear their rears out very quickly if you put new "fresh" tyres on the back. So much so that I don't plan on ever sticking new tyres on the rear again. I don't like rotating rear tyres to the front to even out wear, because I like to have deep tread on the front and which has not age hardened too much. Oversteer is not a problem on 505s with GTI spec suspension. I have a 5% thicker swaybar on the rear which makes it more prone to slight oversteer, but I will soon be putting a 5% thicker bar on the front also, so the handling should even back out to the slight understeer of the normal GTI. So to sum up, I can't see a problem with me running slightly age hardened tyres on the rear with fresh tyres on the front.

    On another note, I never got to read the May edition of Wheels which tested the "performance" tyres (as opposed to the "touring" tyres in the previous month). Does anyone know what the final ranking for the "performance" tyres was?

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    A539s won a tyre test a while back, I'm not sure whether it was Wheels or Motor...

    I put 539s on my Mi16 and did about 8000 kays on them. They are nice and quiet, and I don't think they wore too badly. They still had plenty of tread after that many kays. As far as performance goes, I thought they were pretty good, gripped well, but perhaps the turn-in wasn't as sharp as they Toyos I had before. I haven't had lots of experience with different tyres though.

    My 504 also has 539s. I think they are better suited to this car than the Mi16. I've only done about 5000kays in the car since I've had it, I think the tyres have done about 25000kays. I can probably find out exactly when the tyres were fitted to the car. The front tyres have worn more on the outside, but this car doesn't have GTi suspension. Maybe it soon will have...

    Hope that helps Dave.

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    Thanks John.

    That's funny, because I thought Adam told me that he fitted Pirelli P6000s to that 504 when he fitted the 15" wheels (only about 18 months before you bought it). Maybe he wore the Pirellis out, but I was under the impression that he didn't do very many kms in that 18 months.

    It's good to read that the A539s suit the car and are fairing well.

    I think Con Engel in the NSW club has them on his 505. I've emailed him to ask how he finds them. His 505 has the same struts as mine (-ve camber).

    On another note, I've been told that if you fit Performance Superlite 15" wheels to a 504/505 sedan, you have to grind the rear calipers a little. Have you heard of this, John?

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    are the 539's superceding the 509's ??
    if they are any bit as good as the 509's you are going to be happy dave
    i have 509's on my Mi-16 and they were great and i have had them on a 504 and a 604 as well
    the 509's had a twin compound and the first wore away semi quick but after that they last well and grip very well
    just be wary on where they are made as the same tyre from 2 different places can be totally different
    a mate of mine had 509's on his 2 door sigma (scorpion) and they were no where as good as mine and in the wet his were downright dangerous
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    The A539s won the "performance" section in Wheels. These were the H rated tyre, and I would think they would be a good tyre in that speed rating. Yes they are the replacement for the A509

    In V and Z rating, they replaced the A520, which replaced the A510. In the higher speed rating I have not heard many good things at all said about them. We ran them on a Subaru Liberty and I was not impressed, they were very loud and not as good as the Sumitomo HTRZ IIs that replaced them. But, alas, I digress...

    In H, they're good. The Dunlop 300E came 2nd or 3rd, which is another good tyre.
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    davemcbean:

    On another note, I've been told that if you fit Performance Superlite 15" wheels to a 504/505 sedan, you have to grind the rear calipers a little. Have you heard of this, John?

    Dave
    I have. I don't think it's much of a problem though. I know of one 504 and at least four 505s running 15x6 Superlites.

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    GTI124:
    The A539s won the "performance" section in Wheels. .
    So you're saying the A539s won the "performance" tyre test in May in addition to the $125-$145 segment of the "touring" tyre test in April?
    ...or are you just refering to the $125-$145 segment of the "touring" tyre test?

    From the sounds of it Dunlop 300Es would be good, but they're not available in the size which I use on my 505 (195/65 14" H rated).

    Out of the tyres which were tested only these are made in this size:

    $125-$145 category:
    A539
    GR50

    sub-$120 category
    S760
    RE92
    Certis
    P6000

    In addition there are other sub $120 things like:
    Dunlop 200
    BF Goodrich Sport T/A
    GT Radials
    Continentals

    ...and alot of other even cheaper crap.

    So I think my choice for maximum wet weather grip basically boils down to 3 tyres:

    A539
    GR50
    P6000

    The P6000s seem to vary alot from what I've heard, so it sounds like they have quality problems.

    The GR50s are NOISY on my sisters Civic, but 1990s Civics do have a flat bottom which apparently is known for amplifying tyre noise.

    The A539s seem to work well on other peoples 505s/504s and they seem to have a consistent reputation from what I've heard so far, except on vehicles with very lightweight front ends which normally aquaplane on all but the very softest and chunkiest tyres anyway. On 1200kg+ vehicles, I've only read good reports about the A539s. One report did say they don't brake well in the wet when they're close to the end of their life, but since I plan to use them only on the back when they're that worn, they won't be in a position to do too much aquaplaning.

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    Yeah, they just won the higher price point of the touring tyre test. Sorry for not being clear.

    From the choice you have I'd definately give the A539s a go. Shame you can't get 300Es, though.

    The P6000s aren't an awful tyre, and against the competition listed, it'd be my second choice.

    The only other tyre I'd consider would be the Sumitomo Srixon or HTR. They get some favourable comments at tire rack in the US, and I'm a fan of the HTRZ IIs, think they have great feel. The A539 has had reports of poor feel at the limit, so although you may have more grip it's hard to determine what the car is doing. I remember when they were first released, Motor spun their Corolla on the way home with the A539s on the car. They still won the test, as I recall, but the subjective comments revolved around feel.

    Here's some information on Sumitomo tyres <a href="http://www.tirerack.com/tires/sumitomo/sumitomo.jsp" target="_blank">http://www.tirerack.com/tires/sumitomo/sumitomo.jsp</a>
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    I've got A539's on my Holden Calais, I've done about 30,000km on them in less than two years and they have impressed me. The Calais is very good at frying the inside edge of the rear tyres and wearing out the outside edge of the front tyres but the Yoko's are lasting well. Wet grip is a very strong point, I would reccomend them.

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    Thanks for the feedback. It looks like A539s are definitely the way to go. I just hope they don't stop importing them in the size I want anytime soon (Michelin in particular are notorious for doing that).

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