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    NRMA Inspection Results - Please tell me what you think.

    Ok, i got the results of the NRMA inspection on my mates Mi16. when i first read them got my a little annoyed.. My friend also cause some of the things took him by suprise..

    Here are the comments simplified

    1 Worn spare tire (Knew about that, spare is actually on the car)
    2 Split right CV joint boot
    3 Split steering rack boots
    4 Engine sensors disconnected (Oil Level & Knock)
    5 Engine oil leak at rear/cylinder head area
    6 Transmission fluid leak at speedo drive area
    7 Insecure air cleaner area (we know about this)
    8 Coolant leak at radiator drain plug
    9 Advanced corrosion to plenum chamber/brake booster area
    10 Inoperative internal heater (climate control sensor is gone)
    11 Engine check warning light comes on (spoke to a friend, he said that would be caused due to the engine sensors being disconnected)
    12 Inoperative right rear speaker (fixed. cable had slipped)
    13 High idle speed (my mate says it idle's at 1000, my other friend said that is high, and should come down with the reconnection of the engine sensors)
    14 Inoperative air conditioning (knew about this, is actually a leak just at the firewall)
    15 Unable to lock right front door with key & damaged lock (knew about this, someone tried to break in)

    He also said there was an uneven panel fit at the front door, my mate says that is cause by the door trim.

    First of all i would like to know if any of you think that there would be any major concerns with that. Also have you any idea of rough estimates of how much it would cost to repair... In saying that i am not worried about the climate control sensor, or the air conditioning just yet. i was hoping i might be lucky to find someone on here who might be able to sell them off a wrecked Mi16.

    I'm going to my mate's mechanic to get a second opinion, as my mate says he has not had any leaks, nothing has marked his driveway and the levels have not dramatically dropped.

    One of my friends work at Repco, and i asked him about these, he said it all sounds like small things and he can get the parts from work. he also thinks i should worry about it, and if i'm happy go forward with the purchase.

    I just was interested what some of the people on here thought about this..

    My parents are mainly concerned, that it may blew out my budget, and become not viable financially.. i want this car, but i don't want to get something which is gonna burn my pocket.

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    A final Question, to those in the know. If i purchase the pug, i'll be looking for a peugeot or french car specialist to do the servicing etc... can you give me some names of workshops, contact number if posible and also locations in Sydney so i know how close they are to where i live. i know people have mentioned a shop at Hornsby (i can't find the post) and also saw Paul Vassalo's name mentioned today in a post.

    Your help will be GREATLY appreciated.. i hope i haven't blabbed on to long.. i apologise. but fingers crossed next week i'll have some great news about being a PUG owner...

    Thanks again

    Mitch

    <small>[ 30 October 2003, 10:46 PM: Message edited by: Mitch Mi16 ]</small>
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    Any second hand car you buy is gonna have its problems. I got my mi16 about 2 months ago, its a 92 model and had only 83k on the clock. It still cost me over a grand for my first major service (didnt help that the woman i got it from didnt realise that things like timing belts DO need to be changed sometimes!).

    Its also just a peace of mind thing, every car ive ever bought, ive had a major service done on it pretty much straight away, cos then its really MINE. I know what problems there are and i know what damage i have done.

    If someone is selling an older car, it generally means that they think of it as old, and they only really care about their new car, so they start to let things slip, and put off little minor things, cos they dont have to worry about it cos they wont have to live with it and they dont wanna pay for it.

    Its really up to you.

    If you lioke the car, and youre willing to spend a little on it to get it up to scratch, then get it, i can tell you, once you own it, you will only grow to love it more!!

    If youre looking for a mechanic, try Paul, hes great, most importantly, hes honest.

    If you need his number, send me a email.

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    By the looks of it, there's not much there to be worried about.
    NRMA/RACQ inspections are good if you know how to read them which most folks don't.
    That in fact is a very good report by their standards.

    FWIW, I'll try as best I can to put it into Frogspeak.

    "1 Worn spare tire (Knew about that, spare is actually on the car) Doh!!
    2 Split right CV joint boot It's a front wheel drive; cars three times the price will have them. It's a routine service that ALL FWD cars have done from time to time.
    3 Split steering rack boots Shit of a job on a Citroen but about on par cost wise to the CV boot
    4 Engine sensors disconnected (Oil Level & Knock) Oil level; who cares. That's why you have a dipstick. Mines never worked in 3 years. Knock sensor I would look at getting done. Shouldn't be all that deer & let's face it, the bloody car obviously runs without it.
    5 Engine oil leak at rear/cylinder head area. Degrease it. Unless it's p!$$!ng out let sleeping dogs lie.
    6 Transmission fluid leak at speedo drive area Doh!! again. It's at the top, hardly going to drain the gearbox & probably only an "O" ring worth 20 cents anyway. Forget it.
    7 Insecure air cleaner area (we know about this) Tighten ot fit screws, nuts, bolts, rivets whatever..nothing to worry about.
    8 Coolant leak at radiator drain plug Yet another Doh!! Had a vacant line he wanted to write something on.
    9 Advanced corrosion to plenum chamber/brake booster area. This is alloy right??? If so, wire brush it ooff and wipe over with an oily rag!!
    10 Inoperative internal heater (climate control sensor is gone) Gee, yours too??
    11 Engine check warning light comes on (spoke to a friend, he said that would be caused due to the engine sensors being disconnected) I agree, possibly due to knock sensor being disconnected. Fix one, fix t'other
    12 Inoperative right rear speaker (fixed. cable had slipped)
    13 High idle speed (my mate says it idle's at 1000, my other friend said that is high, and should come down with the reconnection of the engine sensors) The knock sensor may fix it, then it may not. We have 2 BX 16Vs both idling at 1000 rpm but this reduces to 900 RPM whenengine is fully up to temp. Manufacturers reckon they should idle at 900 RPM; Don't worry about it.
    14 Inoperative air conditioning (knew about this, is actually a leak just at the firewall) The BX leaks from the TX valve which is just inside the firewall & inside a cover plate. Anything to do with air/con is simply a problem with an accessory. Again mine hasn't worked in 3 years and I'm a fridge mechanic by trade. Open the sunroof; works for me.
    15 Unable to lock right front door with key & damaged lock (knew about this, someone tried to break in) This one can be a pain in the ass on a Pug, but with a bit of fiddling round can usually be tracked down.

    I think you said the car was $5 grand wasn't it? If so, I'd reckon it's a bloody good buy. See Paul Vassalo, he'll get it running like a top. He's not the cheapest nor the dearest and if it were me, I'd take it along for a quote off him to get it ship shape. If it cost say $1500 (which I doubt) then increase your loan to $6500, drop him the car straight up & collect when it's finished.
    Let's face it, for $6500 for a spot on Mi16 you'll be doing OK.
    Hope that explains it fairly enough for all concerned.

    Alan S cheers!
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    I'll go along with Alans comments. However I most say I'm quite impressed with the number of problems the NRMA guy found with what would be a very unfamiliar car...

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    NRMA are normally pretty good
    they do go through everything and that is what they are paid for
    on the other hand a lot of the things they pick are just simple little things that aren't going to be problems for the car
    they generally look at the car as the way it should be if it was new
    the other thing though is i had a mate that we had coverted a scorpion with magne FI and they actually thought it came from the factory like that (we did a damn good job on it) and one of the major things they found on it was it was burning oil and was in their words going to blow up
    the car was never sold and the engine even though was going through oil lasted a long time and was rebuilt over 100K later and never did blow up
    and it wasn't driven gently either
    when rebuilt it still burnt a little oil but hey it was a Mr bitchy so what would you expect

    so all in all i'd say the 405 is a good car and with a few little things fixed up do the others later as finances permit

    enjoy the car as i know i would
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    The guy who bought my 88 Subie 4WD wagon had an NRMA inspection done on it. The only thing wrong on the report was "Notchy gearbox - worn syncros?"

    I was like cmon - the car's got close to 400 000km on the speedo and the speedo didn't go when I bought the car!

    I really didn't know why the guy bothered with the NRMA inspection but hey I hope my 306 is still going strong after nearly 400 000km wink

    None of those probs on the 405 look too serious as Alan has "frogified" so go for it! You'll learn lots about the car sorting them out anyway.

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    My mind goes back to the days when my father was a car dealer... a buyer got the NRMA to come and check a car.

    The NRMA guy took dad aside and put his hand out, saying "What do you want me to tell them?"

    Dad pushed his hand away and said, "The truth!"

    Needless to say he lost the sale...

    Nothing serious on that list really, I'd fix the sensors then ask for well-founded advice on the air-con (if you care about that...)

    The 'advanced corrosion' sounds like it might be spilled brake fluid... could that be right?

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    Mitch,

    I would usually never advise buy or selling cars with anyone you know, especially a mate!

    But for 5 grand its a steal, it only has a few minor problems..

    Paul Vassalo (A.P. Auto Engineering Services)
    Ph (02) 9817 2134
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    441 Victoria Rd Gladesville

    I'm going to take mine to him for a checkup soon, it nearly stalled last night while i was in traffic & my check engine light & K warning light have been on since I had my engine replaced also, i think paul might know how to turn them off since nobody else does. if not i'll use black electrical tape

    One thing to keep in mind, no job on this car is cheap or easy. no matter what anyone says! I don't mean to scare you but...

    I did my starter motor a few weeks ago, it cost me $850!!!! I nearly had a heart attack. My dad did his toyota hilux starter for $150

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    Well back when I was selling my car the NRMA guy didn't know how to select reverse and drive like it had a jap box hence crunched 2nd a couple of times. Overall he scared the buyer away by saying it needed $5k of repairs!

    I've probably spent $1.5k including upgrading to EBC rather than std replacements, tyres and aircon regas.

    Was I pissed moon

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    Financially speaking...You are about 11% of the cars original value...so if you you are going to spend another couple of % to fix these minor things ( very French )it still beats buying some new Hi-undie, Day Woo, etc 'cause you will loose much more over the near future. Go for it they are FANTASTIC...We have two Mi16's, I had to buy the second one cause my wife loves hers so much I rearly got to drive it..the only prob is that they are identical...good luck and go for it..cheers josephk
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    Jason, Mate, the sooner you see Paul the sooner you'll start to save money & enjoy your car more.

    From a UK parts catalogue:

    "T90114 STARTER MOTOR 405 PETROL 69.50"

    That's UK pounds incidentally which = A$167 + VAT or approx A$200

    Also with your light on the dash. Disconnect the battery; - terminal first, leave disconnected for a half hour & then reconnect doing the + terminal first. This gives the ECU time to reset itself & if there's nothing amiss should rectify the problem.

    Alan S cheers!

    <small>[ 31 October 2003, 01:10 PM: Message edited by: Alan S ]</small>
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    Alan,

    If I only knew back then... that would have been a massive saving cry

    I've tried disconnecting the battery, i left it over night. When I reconnect it both lights come back on after a few minutes.

    Could it be because the different engine does not match the ecu? my cousin knows a peugeot specialist & a while ago he tried plugging a diagnostic machine to it and it came up scrambled info.. he said the engine may be out of a citreon!
    but its a mi16 engine, exactly like my old one. is that possible? they're was more to it, some of the stuff he was saying was pretty technical..

    i'll take it to paul vasallo tommorow, i have a feeling i'll be put on a waiting list though, he must be a busy guy!
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    Well thats what i wanted to hear... i'm feeling like it will be a good buy, i know the car as it is my mates.. He hasn't had any major problems come up, he put a heavy duty clucth in it, plus he had to replace the power-steering. We are going to get the pink slip tomorrow as it is up for rego later next month. If thats all good my parents are happy for me to get it.

    As for my loan my parents are actually lending me the balance of what i don not have saved.. So that's why they were just saying it isn't worth getting it then having to spend so much
    on it to make it road worthing.

    Good thing is my mate works at Repco, and sai he can get all the parts which i should replace sooner, i.e the boots for the cv joint and the steering rack, he also thought that where the leaks were, they would probably just be the o rings which have cracked, he also said he could get the barrels, for the locks.. Plus he can do the fitting of these. so that will save money.

    As for the air con, and sensor for the climate control, i know you can flick the summer/winter switch manually, and i've been driving an 82 Kombi round for the last 4 years.. air con would be a luxury, so i'm not really worried about those 2 things just yet, but it would be nice to get them fixed in the future.

    Thanks Jason, that will come in really handy cause i don't live to far from gladesville. I was thinking of getting a service done soon, but i know it only had one not long ago..

    Thanks everyone for your comments.. I really wish to get this car, so fingers crossed.

    Also Jason, i have only 2 friend i would even consider purchasing a car off. One of has been a mechanic for about 15 years, and the guy i'm buying the 405 off, as he is mechanically minded, and he knows where his boundaries are. If he can't do it, he'll take it straight to a professional. Otherwise, i too would steer clear from buying a car from a mate..

    <small>[ 31 October 2003, 04:30 PM: Message edited by: Mitch Mi16 ]</small>
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    I'd hate to see the same report on my car...
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    two-oh-philic:
    I'd hate to see the same report on my car...
    Take it for one of these inspections & I've no doubt you would; that's the nature of these reports. Fine tooth conmb stuff.
    I had a new car (Holden) put through one at 20,000 klms and I can tell you it came up much worse than this.

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    I agree that the report really is bugger all to worry about. I'd go so far to say that it sounds like a good car for the age, if the report is accurate. BTW with the knock sensor disconnected the ECU would default to retarded timing to protect from detonation, so it should feel a bit more lively once this is fixed, too.

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