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    Spare Tyre?

    With the spare tyre falling out of the cage on the GTi6 the other day and destroying the sidewall of the P6000, I've been thinking about what tyre to replace it with. With the high number of directional and assymetric tyres out there, what would you run as your spare tyre?

    If you're running directional or assymentric or directional assymetric tyres as your normal tyre would you use the same as your spare? You would have the problem of your tyre facing the wrong way, if the spare was set to the left and you got a right side flat. Is this a concern for you?

    Or would you run a non directional tyre so you can run them on either side in safety (but the tyre would still be different to the other 3)?

    Would you just get a 2nd hand tyre to replace the spare?

    Would you use the opportunity to get the first of your new 4 to replace the ones that are on there now?

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    BTW, for a 306 GTi6 running 195 55 R15s, the only symetric tyres on the market are:

    Pirelli P6000s (OEM for that car)
    Michelin Pilot Precedas (not available in Oz yet, have been due for over 6 months)
    Michelin MXV3As
    Dunlop LM702s
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    Pilot Precedas are available already - a guy on the 206GTi list in Melbourne's had them for a month or two.

    Not a bad tyre, but he says they're crap in the wet though - all the reviews I've read seem to say it's a middle of the field tyre. An interesting tyre review was posted - if you're interested, I can dig up a link.

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    Bob Jane called Michelin who said 195 55 R15 hadn't arrived yet or was out of stock...a link to his review would be nice still

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    Lincoln. To me the spare is just that, a spare. I look at it like a space-saver tyre. Only there for when it is required in times of an emergency.

    So, to me, the spare tyre can be whatever you want it to be because it will not be on there for long enough to be of a concern what it is.

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    My spare is just what was left over from when I last changed my tyres. That means I'm running 4 Michelin Certis 185/75 which are directional (i think), and my spare is the least of my worn 185/80 Michelin MXTE's that used to be on the front of the car. I don't mind that it is a different size as I wouldn't indend to drive on the spare for long.
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    I'm of the same opinion Darren, I would never expect it to be on there for long, but am curious as to what people would do with a directional tyre being on the wrong way round...I guess it wouldn't matter too much at all.

    I popped down to Milperra this arvo and picked up a 50% worn Michelin Pilot SX GT, which is a symetrical tyre, as I was more comfortable with getting one, rather than a directional. It was $80.

    <img src="http://michelinman.com/images/catalog/tires/pilot_sx_gt_pop_tire.jpg" alt=" - " />

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    It wouldnt matter if the tyre is Assymetric or not, because ther only specification is that one certain side faces outwards

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    That would mean on a spare tyre, you could only use it on one side of the car - rims are only designed to be put on one way.

    Lincoln, tell how good's your German I've got a fairly good comprehensive review, but it's all in German. Still, you can understand all the graphs, etc & numbers.

    Otherwise you can search for Preceda at <a href="http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/peugeot-206gti/messages" target="_blank">http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/peugeot-206gti/messages</a> in the search field - it's Jason who's got the Precedas.

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    If the tyre is asymemtric (not directional) it won't matter which side of the vehicle it is fitted, certainly the case with Michelin XVS on Citroens.

    As to your spare, as long as it is in good condition and used only as a spare it really shouldn't make any difference (treat it as you would a space saver and get your road wheel and tyre back on the car ASAP)

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    Pug307:
    That would mean on a spare tyre, you could only use it on one side of the car - rims are only designed to be put on one way.
    What?
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    Ah yes, if a tyre is assymetric and NOT directional, it wouldn't matter what side of the car it is on. That gives you a the option of using the Pirelli P7 as a spare tyre then.

    What happens when you run a directional tyre in the wrong direction? In the rain could it be very unsafe? If so, then I would have concerns about having a spare that was directional. Even if it is on your car for a short period of time, what if you're drving on a long trip and it's raining?
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    Just buy some cheap, nasty and under $80 15" tyre.
    195/60's are very common, and most are symetric. It really doesnt matter, considering that you wouldnt be doing anything hairy without a spare...
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    Pug505exec:
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    That would mean on a spare tyre, you could only use it on one side of the car - rims are only designed to be put on one way.
    What?
    Ahh, I was referring to the "not" in the previous sentence - re. directional tyres.

    Wouldn't you need to put a directional tyre only on one side of the car once it is fitted on the rim?

    To be honest, a second hand tyre is probably better than most of the crappy space savers that a lot of cars have these days.

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    Had a friend who read this and thought some extra clarification would be useful to any other browsers of our froggy community:

    Directional Tyre:
    <img src="http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/dunlop/du_sp_sport_fm901.jpg" alt=" - " />
    This is the infamous FM901 that a fair number of people go on about, but I think I'm the only one running them on a Froggy car on here. It's a directional tyre, which means it can only rotate in a particular direction. Such tyres can be rotated from side to side, but the tyres have to come off and be turned around on the rim.

    Re: this topic, when you have one as your spare tyre, it wil be mounted on the spare rim as a left or right side tyre. If it was set as a left side rim and you got a right side flat, you would have a tyre facing the wrong way. This wouldn't be a problem in the dry, but in the wet this could cause aqua-planing and be quite dangerous, especially on a long trip. (We all agree it is a good idea to get your spare off the car ASAP).

    Assymetric Tyre:
    <img src="http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/pirelli/pi_p7.jpg" alt=" - " />
    This is the Pirelli P7 (OEM on 307 with 17s, XSi, not sure if XSE) Notice how the inside of tread is different to the outside of the tread? This tyre is designed so that there is an inside and an outside side of the tyre. It doesn't matter if it runs on what side of the car, as it is not a directional tyre (it does not have to rotate in a particular direction). So you could use this as spare tyre without a problem. You would also be able to rotate your tyres very easily with such a tread pattern.
    The benefit of such a tread is the inside and outside of a tyre have different requirements in terms of grip, water dispersion and noise. It's a further tweak to the symmetrical design.

    Assymmetric Directional:
    <img src="http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/michelin/mi_pilot_primacy.jpg" alt=" - " />
    Here is an assymetric (tread is different from the inside and outside), and it is also directional (it has to spin in a particular direction). A tyre here is designed for the left and right side of the car. You would not be able to rotate tyres from side to side, only left to left and right to right. You would have the same problem as a directional tyre using this as a spare, however, it would be compounded further as you would not be able to remount the tyre on the rim to get it facing the right way (like you can with a directional), as it only belongs on one side of the car. This tyre interests me as I'm curious as to what new 406s have as their spare...

    Symmetric Tyre:
    <img src="http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/pirelli/pi_p6000.jpg" alt=" - " />
    This is the classic P6000 that is OEM equipment on many 306s and many Europeans. It is symetrical (both sides are the same), which allows the tyre to be mounted on either side, rotated and done what you will with it. It's a good tyre to use a spare as it's friendly and easy going. OK, this message is getting long and it's silly Friday and I'm starting to wonder why I started writing this.

    Anyway, there's a run down on the different types of tyres and what was going on in my head when I posted this message. Hope that makes sense to you If I've made an error and got all mixed up again, please feel free to reply...

    Yes, I am a certifiable tyre nut. You can call me squirrel now.

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    Pug307:
    That would mean on a spare tyre, you could only use it on one side of the car - rims are only designed to be put on one way.

    Lincoln, tell how good's your German I've got a fairly good comprehensive review, but it's all in German. Still, you can understand all the graphs, etc & numbers.

    Otherwise you can search for Preceda at <a href="http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/peugeot-206gti/messages" target="_blank">http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/peugeot-206gti/messages</a> in the search field - it's Jason who's got the Precedas.
    Thanks Justin. I know people who speak and read German. I can get him to read it to me. What's the link?
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    GTI124:
    Had a friend who read this and thought some extra clarification would be useful to any other browsers of our froggy community:

    Directional Tyre:
    <img src="http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/dunlop/du_sp_sport_fm901.jpg" alt=" - " />
    This is the infamous FM901 that a fair number of people go on about, but I think I'm the only one running them on a Froggy car on here. It's a directional tyre, which means it can only rotate in a particular direction. Such tyres can be rotated from side to side, but the tyres have to come off and be turned around on the rim.
    That makes two of us running FM901's on Froggies(bloody marvellous, aren't they?)
    I still have the original, untouched Michelin MXV2 tyre as the spare so it's all good.

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    Pug307:
    Lincoln, tell how good's your German I've got a fairly good comprehensive review, but it's all in German. Still, you can understand all the graphs, etc & numbers.
    You could just use bablefish to translate

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    Oh, and found that we probably weren't tightening the spare tyre bolt in all the way, which was causing it to loosen. There's a lesson learnt, tighten that bolt until it won't turn anymore.
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