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    Point to Point cameras on the Hume

    I see they are introducing fixed point to point speed cameras on the Hume in Victoria.

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    Located maybe 60k's apart, if your average speed exceeds the limit between the two cameras you get a ticket.

    I guess people will be able to work out where the second camera is located from the number of vehicles parked on the approach side in the emergency lane!

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    Rofl, but then any slight (and I really mean slight) improvement you'd get in arrival time by going over the limit will well and truely be cancelled out by having to wait on the side of the road . These sort of speed cameras, if have a reasonable tollerance level I don't mind (well, not until I get a ticket roll_lau ). It's the cameras that catch you doing 64km/h for a couple of seconds to get past something (or just not staring at the speedo) that peeve me off.
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    Rod Hagen:
    I see they are introducing fixed point to point speed cameras on the Hume in Victoria.

    Located maybe 60k's apart, if your average speed exceeds the limit between the two cameras you get a ticket.

    I guess people will be able to work out where the second camera is located from the number of vehicles parked on the approach side in the emergency lane!

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    Maybe a bit of insulation tape the right colour would sort that out simply enough.
    Turn a 9 to a 0 & vice versa; 6 to an 0 and letters aren't all that difficult either.
    It's what was happening wholesale in the Territory when they introduced speed cameras up there & was apparently quite sucessful. cry
    Probably a bit illegal and far be it for me to even suggest such a terrible thing; I mean these politicians & Governments need the money to pay all those big salaries. I mean wouldn't you feel mean & nasty if poor old Braxy had to try & live on a couple of hundred grand a year; almost livin' in poverty mallet moon
    Might just get a bit expensive if you got caught though roll_lau

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    Where is there along the Hume that they could put them and you couldn't cover that stretch on a side road, the old highway or something?

    At one end of the 60k or the other you'd get a chance, surely?

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    My thoughts exactly Ray.

    The other option is to take off into the centre of the road (that is SOOOOO wide south of the Victorian border) to go around the camera wink

    Just watch you don't hit a tree or anything.

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    If I remember correctly they use a similar scheme in Britain, however the distance between camera points are much shorter; only a few kilometres or so.

    I must say I had a cynical smirk on my face as I read this news. The state budget is in the red and it looks like they're attempting to bridge the gap by making motoring more expensive; tolls on the promised "toll free" Ringwood freeway extension thing, indexed rate increases for motoring costs and fines, etc.

    Ray Bell:
    Where is there along the Hume that they could put them and you couldn't cover that stretch on a side road, the old highway or something?

    At one end of the 60k or the other you'd get a chance, surely?
    That's what I would be thinking. You could divert just long enough to miss one of the camera gantries and the system would be rendered useless.

    And if that's not an option, I think food outlets along the 60km 'measured' path might get a bit of extra clientele from high speed motorists who strategically plan their rest stops wink I can just imagine people fine-tuning their trip computers and stopwatches to Formula 1 pit-stop precision :p
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    This is just getting absolutley bloody stupid! I think it is high time we all put some keyboard effort into contacting anybody and everybody who will listen. We sit here day after day hypothesizing about how this should be done and that should be done blah blah blah blah and about the only one who seems to have the ballz to do anything is Alan.

    How about ALL aussiefrogs that have any guts about them get busy. Contact your state and federal policitians and tell them how pissed off you are. Contact your state motoring organisation, write to the newspapers, call up talk shows yadda yadda yadda.

    When are these idiots we seemingly elect to "power" going to realise that some people on the road are not safe at ANY speed (as can be witnessed on 7 every Sunday night at present)?

    We (the general population) are all sitting here like a big pack of dummies being fed all the crud in the world about increasing road deaths while in fact they are DECREASING and during the last Easter period there was no difference to a non holiday period.

    There must come a point where we have to expect a certain number of road deaths. The same way that deaths and injuries are "budgeted" into major building works.

    The thing we need to get our elected trough grazers to do is to make sure that people can DRIVE - that is handle a car in every situation that they could be likely to encounter. Oh, and while they're at it, they should be tested again - at least every 10 years if not 5. Yeah sure, this will cost money, but to quote a pollie or 70 "it will save lives"

    I peeved and will be firing off letters tonight.

    Stupid bloody point to point cameras blah blah blah. Flaming idiots wound up with too much power!!!
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    Craig,

    If you'd like a copy of my submission to the Parliamentary Inquiry that went in last week, just say the word.
    If nothing else it gives you some ideas as to how to approach it and actually uses the stupidity of how certain aspects of the law is administered in other States as examples.
    It must have been accepted as a valid document as I had two calls from "above" today which amongst other things thanked me for the amount of effort I had put into the compilation of the document; I don't think they expected anything as complex & researched as this coming fron a private submission.
    Whether they take any notice is another thing. mallet

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    Perhaps all AFs would like a read?
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    I sure would...

    Please send it to [email protected]

    <small>[ 12 May 2003, 10:49 PM: Message edited by: Ray Bell ]</small>

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    I'll send it out directly tommorrow as being what it is (12 pages) it is a bit too large to post on here.
    Not only that, but a certain amount of protocol has to be observed so that it doesn't become public knowledge before the committee has a go at it, but I can see no harm in private distribution amongst anyone privately interested in it.
    It's a bit radical & aims at a small percentile of drivers but a very important one & makes some suggestions that are a change from current thinking by working on an incentive principal. It also addresses the revenue lost by Governments due to losing the preoccupatiion with speeding.
    Not the kind of document likely to gain too many friends in the ranks of the so-called "senior advisers." mallet mallet mallet

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    12 pages??!!! yeah send me one two!

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    yeah chuck a copy my way please Alan cheers!
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    I wouldn't mind a read of it too Alan, if you could send me a copy. Thanks.

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    Why don't they just buy a few satellites? Surely the budget would allow for a half dozen or so. Then we can get a ticket from space! Scum

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    Cal:
    Why don't they just buy a few satellites? Surely the budget would allow for a half dozen or so. Then we can get a ticket from space! Scum

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    Cal, don't put ideas in their heads mallet

    Your right though I can see a time when speed sensors would be fitted to cars, automatically deducting $$$ from your bank account for infringements cry roll_lau cry

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    Heh he...

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    GreenBlood:
    Cal:
    Why don't they just buy a few satellites? Surely the budget would allow for a half dozen or so. Then we can get a ticket from space! Scum

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    Cal, don't put ideas in their heads mallet

    Your right though I can see a time when speed sensors would be fitted to cars, automatically deducting $$$ from your bank account for infringements cry roll_lau cry

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    Don't laugh at this people, has already hit the movies, Bruce Willis' The 5Th Element had both fines & points lost & if ya ran out of points the vehicle would no operate with you as the driver.
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    Today's jokes and science fiction may very well be tomorrow's reality. George Orwell may have been correct.

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    You wouldn't be pissed at the police by any chance would you Cal? whistle
    No mate. It's not their fault. They have a job to do, just like everybody else. Have met some real pricks though. You meet them in all walks of life. The blue ones just concern me more because they have a hand canon on their hip!

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