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    Farewell Concorde

    It's part French, it's damn fast, it's now gone

    It doesn't happen often, but yesterday advances in aviation took a step back with British Airways retiring Concorde, the world's only supersonic airliner. Several months ago, Air France retired its final Concordes.

    In the 60's, the Europeans gambled on pace. The Americans gambled on space. The Americans won. Despite this, Concorde survived the 70's oil crisis and a flotilla of political sagas to become the flagship of the French and British national carriers. However it was unable to survive the the fatal 2000 Air France crash and the aftermath of September 11. As a result both British Airways and Air France announced the retirement of Concorde this year.

    Will we see supersonic flight again? Probably, but noone's scrabbling to fill Concorde's void. Instead the Europeans are now intent on beating the Americans with their bigger than 747 super jumbo, the A380.

    Here is a pictorial tribute to the most graceful bird of the skies, Concorde.

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    It only sat 100 passengers, was small, noisy and bloody expensive. But it was fast.

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    Look at those afterburners!

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    French enthusiasts say farewell to the final British Airways Concorde flights.

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    She was loved till the end.

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    Farewell Concorde.

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    Only saw it in the flesh once ... - one of those things I always wanted to do (fly in it), but it'll have to be like the NY World Trade Centre Towers, something that is gone for ever.

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    Saw a couple while in transit at CDG airport in Paris... It would have been quite an experience to fly on one..

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    Damn shame - what a work of art. I have heard a rumour that Japan is playing around with an SST of their own, but probably being put hold post 11th of September.
    But at least a certain residents group in New York will be pleased - they have been lobbying for years to get rid of the Concorde, complaining of the noise.
    I heard one take off in London at a house in Ealing I was living in - ran out to get a look (missed it..) but it was seriously loud!!
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    Hey Folks!!

    I was one of those thousands that managed to get out to Heathrow yesterday and see the three birds fly in! It was awesome to see them all but very sad all the same. They landed within about 12 mins of each other and the last one to land was the one from JFK. New York to London in about 3hrs! Not bad.............

    The press coverage it was given over here was and still is huge! They are still trying to get Branson to buy them up or at least keep one operational for airshows etc. BBC has countless documentaries playing over here so with that and the world cup, I am set for the TV stakes!

    Hope all is well and no-one's car suffered cellulite damage in Sydney's hail storm yesterday!

    Take it easy - big smiles from London
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    Hey Folks!!

    I was one of those thousands that managed to get out to Heathrow yesterday and see the three birds fly in! It was awesome to see them all but very sad all the same. They landed within about 12 mins of each other and the last one to land was the one from JFK. New York to London in about 3hrs! Not bad.............

    The press coverage it was given over here was and still is huge! They are still trying to get Branson to buy them up or at least keep one operational for airshows etc. BBC has countless documentaries playing over here so with that and the world cup, I am set for the TV stakes!

    Hope all is well and no-one's car suffered cellulite damage in Sydney's hail storm yesterday!

    Take it easy - big smiles from London
    Stu :-) cheers!
    Lucky bastard!! tongue

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    the japanese project

    <a href="http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/japan_sst_020304.html" target="_blank">www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/japan_sst_020304.html</a>

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    It's a shame to see the Concorde go. It would have been cool to fly in one.

    I have seen the Concorde in the flesh, twice! I even got a look inside. It is one that is on display at the Fleet Air Arm Museum next to RNAS Yeovilton in Somerset, England

    <a href="http://www.fleetairarm.com/" target="_blank">Fleet Air Arm Museum</a>

    <img src="http://members.westnet.com.au/ottertm/concorde.jpg" alt=" - " />

    From memory it was a prototype. I know I have picture or two of the inside if only I could find them.

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    Also interesting is that Boeing made a prototype at the time which never flew. They then struck a deal with NASA and Tuplove (makers of the first SST and the Buran shuttle) in the mid 90's to ressurect one of the TU 144s (which stopped flying in 1985) to fly 32 flights around russia to evaluate an SST for a new Boeing plane. This got shelved in favour of the Boeing 777 - not as fast (only does mach 0.84) or cool, but a whole lot more profitable.
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    Yeah it will be sadly missed as my mother once tooka trip on it years ago.
    Great looking planes and like 307 said was partly french.
    Goodbye..

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    I remember one of those terrible 70's Airport movies had a concord doing spins and dives in a chase with a guided missile .
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    nJm:
    I remember one of those terrible 70's Airport movies had a concord doing spins and dives in a chase with a guided missile .
    What? Don't they do that all the time? whip
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    Haakon:
    This got shelved in favour of the Boeing 777 - not as fast (only does mach 0.84) or cool, but a whole lot more profitable.
    If you look at the A380, the Euros have jumped onto the space bandwagon - with the A380, they'll have something larger than the 747. Already with the A340-600 they have something longer than the 747.

    The funny thing is, post Concorde, the Europeans have generally built slower aircraft than the Americans. Eg. A330/340 vs B777 (M0.82 vs M0.84 - plus I can tell you that a lot of operators fly their A340s slower than that - look at M0.80-0.81!). Might not seem huge, but considering these fly 12-14 hour routes, it does make a difference.

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    [quote]Pug307:
    Originally posted by Haakon:
    [qb] The funny thing is, post Concorde, the Europeans have generally built slower aircraft than the Americans.
    True - energy costs and greenhouse gas issues are not small.

    Personally, I doubt if many of us will see another SST in our lifetimes. I saw(and heard) Concorde coming in over central London a few times in 1980 and in the late 1990s saw it pushed off and then taking off from Heathrow twice. Just awesome. Took much more runway than anything else and was teh only aircraft you really could hear through the thick glass of the terminal windows! And then there was the black smoke..... But what a beautiful aircraft.

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    I have seen the Concorde in the flesh, twice!
    From memory it was a prototype. Troy.
    Troy,

    Definitely a prototype I'd say - not a production nose at all. Lovely. I nearly visited that museum once and would have tried harder if I'd realised Concorde was there.

    Thanks for the photo.

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    Pug307:
    Will we see supersonic flight again? Probably, but noone's scrabbling to fill Concorde's void. Instead the Europeans are now intent on beating the Americans with their bigger than 747 super jumbo, the A380.
    I few years ago, I saw a newspaper article about a brand-new commercial SST that Boeing was developing. Anyone hear anything more about this??

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    Pug307:
    Will we see supersonic flight again? Probably, but noone's scrabbling to fill Concorde's void. Instead the Europeans are now intent on beating the Americans with their bigger than 747 super jumbo, the A380.
    I few years ago, I saw a newspaper article about a brand-new commercial SST that Boeing was developing. Anyone hear anything more about this??

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    see my post above. They used a mothballed TU 144 as a test bed.
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    Ah...

    Well hopefully it won't be too long before someone decides to pick up SST development again.

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    some piccies. Was first to fly, was faster and held 140 people (concorde only carried 100). And had some unique solution to low speed instability that SSTs face, in the form of the pop out winglets.

    <a href="http://www.tupolev.ru/English/Show.asp?SectionID=128" target="_blank">http://www.tupolev.ru/English/Show.asp?SectionID=128</a>
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    They were a great plane to fly in (and pilot) from all reports.

    Pity they fell out of the sky a bit too often (in true russian tradition I suppose)

    Apparantly better designed than the concorde, more passenger space, lower running costs, shorter runway required etc...

    I wonder where they all are now???

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    The first crash at an airshow for all to see was the result of the bloody French :p . They flew a Mirage fighter jet on a virtually collision course in order to take photos, but forgot to tell the russian TU 144 pilots, who put the plane into a sudden and steep climb to avoid it. It stressed the airframe way beyond the design limits, as it was already on a full throttle climb and it basically broke up. (apparently, a Concorde couldnt have done the manevour to start with).
    The second was a landing in bad weather, where the typical SST low speed stability (these things are deigned to be stable at mach 2 - at a measly 400 kph they are a bit wonky) problems got the better of it.
    It was built around designs lifted from the franch/anglo concorde project, but the ruskies did several things better - plus it looked cooler :p
    But in the same way as the Concorde, a crash and huge running costs shelved it. A few are in Museums, and there are 4 in storage (one used by NASA/Boeing in the 90s for evaluation tests).
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