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    I can't get the hunk of junk to start ....

    Hi Guys,

    well I'm stunned, I didn't think getting the little 2cv running would be a problem. I've got cars that haven't run in years
    (literly) running sooner than this.

    I've just spent 2hours in the pouring rain, my expensive multimeter
    is now full of water, I've tried everything including screaming abuse
    at the little car and I still can't get it to run. I put new points
    in, gapped them to where looked good (as I just wan't to get the
    mongrel little car in the shed so I'm out of the rain ...

    I'm pretty slow, so it took me 20minutes to work out how to get those
    points in so that the spring would do anything other than permanantly
    hold the points open. With the ignition on I've spent the last hour
    and 40minutes scratching my head and getting soaked, as no matter
    what I do I CAN NOT get any spark across the points. There's 12volts
    to the coil, the wire from the coil to the points has no breaks, the
    wire at the points sparks if you pull it off, the points go open
    circuit and closed circuit using a multimeter as I push them open and
    closed manualy. The positive side of the points isn't shorting to
    earth (going by multimeter --about 1.3megaohms.

    The condensor isn't shorting, I even took it out of the circuit, I've
    tried two coils, both of which were working when both cars were
    parked. I've tried running a hot wire straight from the battery to
    the coil ... Nope ...

    So now I'm totallly and utterly confused, how can you have no spark
    across the points when there appears to be power there?

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    Hang on, I'll go scream some more abuse at it, that might make me
    feel better ....

    seeya,
    Shane L.
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    Shane,

    From reading your post, everything 'seems' to be OK.

    However, a couple of suggestions ..
    Is the coil OK? i.e., can you create a high tension spark by switching the coil alone?

    If this is OK, is your distributor an old Ducillier type?

    For those distributors, I seem to remember that the points were held in place by a spring clip something like a hairpin and one essential part was a fibre [insulating] washer that sat under the clip at one end. If the washer was missing you could short the points to earth.

    Is this your problem?

    Otherwise I'd be using the multimeter to check the voltage at each connection along the path... to systematically eliminate the problem.

    Denis

    <small>[ 25 October 2003, 08:34 PM: Message edited by: Denis ]</small>

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    Sounds vaguely familiar to a three hour session I spent here one night after rebuilding a friend's D Special dizzy. Forgot (lost?) the insulating washer on the side of the dizzy that connected to the condensor. Quick call to Gus the Guru and made up a washer from a plastic bottle and car started instantly. whistle

    BTW Shane - 2cvs are not that heavy, why not push it into the shed? mallet
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    Could also be the leads. They might measure okay whilst there's no tension in them, but when put in place, a gap or crack or similar might open up and prevent the spark reaching its intended destination. Have you taken a lead off a plug and arced it against the block yet?

    Also, with so much cranking, your plugs might be fouled. Pull a plug and have a look, gap and clean if necessary, or worst case scenario, they're like $4-10 a pop.

    I take you have looked at the fuel pump to make sure it's still pushing juice through the fuel system? An old trick is to pour some fuel down the carby's throat and see if that causes the engine to fire and then die. If so, you have a fuel blockage.

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    vanderaj:
    Could also be the leads. They might measure okay whilst there's no tension in them, but when put in place, a gap or crack or similar might open up and prevent the spark reaching its intended destination. Have you taken a lead off a plug and arced it against the block yet?

    Also, with so much cranking, your plugs might be fouled. Pull a plug and have a look, gap and clean if necessary, or worst case scenario, they're like $4-10 a pop.

    I take you have looked at the fuel pump to make sure it's still pushing juice through the fuel system? An old trick is to pour some fuel down the carby's throat and see if that causes the engine to fire and then die. If so, you have a fuel blockage.

    Andrew
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    Thanks Guys,

    hopefully I'll have time to look at it sometime this week. It's certainly not petrol

    I've either got 2dead coils, or the '+' side of the points have GOT to be earthing somewhere (even though there is 1.3Mohms between them & earth ).

    I try to test the coils tonight, but I think 'the boss whistle ' already has my night booked up

    seeya,
    Shane L.
    'Cit' homepage:
    Citroen Workshop
    Proper cars--
    '85 Series II CX2500 GTi Turbo I
    '63 ID19 http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/showthread.php?t=90325
    '72 DS21 ie 5spd pallas (last looked at ... about 15years ago)
    '78 GS1220 pallas
    '92 Range Rover Classic ... 5spd manual.

    Yay ... No Slugomatics


    Modern Junk:
    '07 Poogoe 407 HDi 6spd manual

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    I don't believe it, I just walked out, looked at the 2cv and thought "The points setup doesn't look right", pull the plastic housing out the contains the points springs, screwed it back in and the car started 1st kick of the starter ... gggggrrrrrrr. The motor in it's NEVER sounded so good that I know of, and this is without gapping the points or setting the timing

    Just goes to show, when your frustrated with something and totally p!$$ed off, go away and come back later ...

    seeya,
    Shane L.
    'Cit' homepage:
    Citroen Workshop
    Proper cars--
    '85 Series II CX2500 GTi Turbo I
    '63 ID19 http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/showthread.php?t=90325
    '72 DS21 ie 5spd pallas (last looked at ... about 15years ago)
    '78 GS1220 pallas
    '92 Range Rover Classic ... 5spd manual.

    Yay ... No Slugomatics


    Modern Junk:
    '07 Poogoe 407 HDi 6spd manual

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