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    Aftermarket Cruise Control

    Hi there everyone!

    Has anyone had an aftermarket cruise control fitted to their car?

    I've heard good things about AusCruise by a company called Autron. - <a href="http://www.auscruise.com.au" target="_blank">http://www.auscruise.com.au</a>

    If anyone knows anything about cruise control systems, installation (do you do it yourself or get a professional installation?) etc I'd like to hear about it, for my 306XSi

    Dad's also looking at Cruise for his C3. He's going to try and get Continental Cars to fit the genuine system... when he bought the car it wasn't available yet.

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    Derek,

    We had a DANA cruise control fitted to our Peugeot 306 in about 1995 or 1996. Excellent results, although the fitter used a magnet attached to a driveshaft and a sensor (old fashioned way of doing it).

    The same unit is now fitted to our Xantia, but linked electronically to the speedometer signal, and also an excellent result.

    I don't claim to know much about these devices, but I was given pretty clear advise that the Dana units have been around for a long time and are robust and reliable.

    Lot's of flat roads in WA! Cruise control on relatively small engined, manual cars works well under such circumstances. I love it.

    Cheers

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    Hi there everyone!

    Has anyone had an aftermarket cruise control fitted to their car?

    I've heard good things about AusCruise by a company called Autron. - <a href="http://www.auscruise.com.au" target="_blank">http://www.auscruise.com.au</a>

    If anyone knows anything about cruise control systems, installation (do you do it yourself or get a professional installation?) etc I'd like to hear about it, for my 306XSi

    Dad's also looking at Cruise for his C3. He's going to try and get Continental Cars to fit the genuine system... when he bought the car it wasn't available yet.

    Derek.
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    Hi,

    I've got a "Repeller" (Check out number thru <a href="http://www.yellowpages.com.au)" target="_blank">www.yellowpages.com.au)</a> cruise control hooked up to my Clio Sport. It works well & blends nicely with the rest of the interior.

    Only problem is, at times it doesn't seem to respond when i want to set a speed (though, this could be a fault in the installation of mine, individually...just haven't had a chance to go back to get it looked at)

    I'd definately look at getting it professionally installed though. I've never wanted to risk doing these things myself, a receipt is always good to have for those complaints! Better than kickin' your own arse!

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    Also - Repeller's based in Hornsby, incase that is of any conveniance to you?
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    I installed (with my dad) an aftermarket cruise on my 505 GTi about a year or so ago. It was some sort of K-Mart special ...can't think of the actual name, but it has "Command" written on the controls and AP50 (for some reason) rings a bell. Think I paid about $160.00 for it. Works okay, though goes a bit stupid when in hilly country - ie. moving on the downward slope it has trouble maintaining the correct speed (usually slows down, and needs a little driver assistance to get it's act back in gear). Like John W's, it too uses a few magnets attached to the drive shaft and a sensor. A little bit of stuffing about with installation, but works okay ...just a few more quirks to add to the ones that came standard with the model wink

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    Having cruise control is damn nice but I often wonder about the safety aspect of having it.

    If I have a clean run in front I tend to set it & flatten my right foot on the floor for comfort (off the pedals completely). This however would increase response time getting the foot back to the brake pedal if I needed to in a hurry.

    Also, as I don't need to keep an eye on the speedo & the coppers, I tend to look around at the countryside not neccessarily as much on the road...

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    The only experience I have with cruise is in my parents 1994 Magna V6. It works ok until you hit a hill. Then it gets a bit enthusiastic and the auto kicks down a gear (or two eek! ) and it will unleash all 244nm and send you flying up the hill! Quite funny really, but not good if you don't want to get caught by speed cameras.
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    I have used CC for a long time now - mostly on work cars and have had differing experiences on different brands. Early Shitsubishis had the tendency to fling you around uphill corners, Crummydores flick you over the top of a hill, and chooktins seem the best of the aussie built models.

    However, the CC on the XM seems to be best sorted. It will account for downhill fairly well and hold the car back somewhat. It will also kick down well on long uphills. This combined with the hydractive suspension makes driving much easier. The fact that I do not have to fret about speed means I can concentrate more on the rest of my driving.

    Of course the greatest kick is when you have the CC on and you cruise along at your preset speed and the rest of the whackers do not maintain a speed so you pass them, they pass you etc goes on for a while until you gradually pull away from them.

    It does intrigue me though that many times now I see cars that I know would have CC fitted and from my obs of the speed variations of the cars I know that the CC is not being used (particularly on freeways). Why do people buy these cars with these features and never use them? mallet

    However, the concept of a manual with CC seems a bit silly unless you do a lot of long flat driving or have a big torquey engine. Every time you come to a longish hill you would have to change gear thereby overiding the CC and would have to tap the lever/button to reset after moving back to top gear - another thing to have to do.

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    Thanks guys,

    MY 4 yes Hornsby is close - I'm in Killara.

    Dad spoke to Continental today - they're fitting aftermarket cruise to a Berlingo (same engine as C3) tomorrow and they're going to let us know how it behaves.

    The only cars I've ever driven with cruise before have been VT and VTII Commodores. It seemed to be exceptionally smooth in its operation... on merging onto a motorway at say 70 or 80, press resume and it would gradually raise the speed up to 110 or whatever I'd set it to previously. It didn't gun it going up hills, it would keep the power up, but never ever overshot the speed set by more than 1 or 2km.

    I guess more modern cruise controls are better than a 1994 Magna?

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    UFO:
    However, the concept of a manual with CC seems a bit silly unless you do a lot of long flat driving or have a big torquey engine. Every time you come to a longish hill you would have to change gear thereby overiding the CC and would have to tap the lever/button to reset after moving back to top gear - another thing to have to do.
    Craig,
    Manuals have a clutch/auto resume feature. If you press the clutch, change gears and let the clutch out again, it resumes the speed automatically in that gear. They also have a connection to the tacho to ensure the engine isn't over revved. If you hold the clutch in for more than 10 seconds, the cruise control is cancelled. If you hit the brake with the clutch in, the cruise control is cancelled (as it would be in an auto).

    Basically that means change gears to 4th going up a steep hill and it'll maintain (for example) 110 up the hill in 4th which would only be 3500-4000rpm in the Pug306 2L engine anyway.

    My old 306 could cruise from Sydney - Brisbane without changing from 5th except in towns.. so the new one should be able to do it.

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    Good call Derek, As you all may know the Clio has some great torque, so my Clio Sport also maintains it's speed nicely with the cruise control on in 5th...or any other gear (as i set the speed to 60/70km zones alot to resist the urge to speed!

    After having my 99' Mitsubishi Mirage (with 17" wheels, to slow things down a little!) stolen & jumping into the Clio (with some insurance money upfront) has really been a huge change as you could imagine...so climbing hills has never been so easy.

    I do the F3 Freeway alot from Syd-Newcastle and i don't have to touch the clutch or the gearbox for the whole trip...! I use the cruise control's 'speed up/down' to control my distance from other cars, and it becomes very much like playing a computer game with some sort of 'side' joystick!!! :p

    It's great coz' i have the ability to throw the car around like a manual, or cruise like an auto - whenever i feel the urge!

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    DeKa:

    Has anyone had an aftermarket cruise control fitted to their car?

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    Derek,

    A little piece of history....

    Back in about 1985, I installed an after market cruise control (from K Mart) in a 1981 604 SL that I owned then. It worked brilliantly and the touch controls for the unit fitted neatly into the dash just to the right of the steering wheel. The tricky part of the installation was fitting the magnets to a drive shaft, and for the 604 the only accessible place was an inboard CV joint at the diff. I chose to mount 6 magnets because the maximum number would give greater control in the set up. The end result was effortless cruising with increased fuel economy.

    That unit was almost as good as the OEM model in my current 405 STI (one main reason for buying this car).

    And I have noticed that K Mart is now stocking cruise controls after an absence of many years. A good investment to avoid potential pitfalls for speed cameras and over zealous cops.

    I don't know if the current K Mart brand is the same as the one I installed.

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    RE: "COMMAND" unit....it does not appear to be a bad cruise control at all...when i worked at autobarn we used to sell about 3 or 4 a month...half of which were fitted proffesionally,half buy the customers...in the 4 years i was there i did not see a single unit come back under a warranty claim and the regular customers that had bought them reported that they were quite happy with them....so although i do not claim to be an expert when it comes to CCs i would not have a problem recomending them although if the buyer is not tech. savy i d recommend they get fitted by a pro.

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    My parents got a "command" one from autobarn for their 1996 Camry. It is ok, its quite stupid - when set to 110km/h it cannot maintain speed on hills (it can't change gears?) so by the time it has slowed down to 80km/h, it simply switches itself off

    The car with the best cruise I have ever driven has to be the Volvo S60 AWD Turbo. It will hold the speed you set perfectly, regardless of hills (up or down)...
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    I know some Peugeot dealers were fitting Repeller cruise controls to their cars when they were still waiting for Peugeot to come out with their version.

    The S60 has great cruise control I think throttle by wire mates very well with cruise control - it's a pity my car's emissions control unit is one unit too old

    Drive by wire cruise is very cheap too - just plug the stalk in, pump the software in and pray (well, for a multiplexed Pug).

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    Isn't the C3 Multiplexed as well?

    Wouldn't be a matter of sticking the stalk in (from the Euro MPX'd Berlingo/C3) and enabling the ECU for CC?

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    I had cruise on the manual Golf GTI and it was awesome. I love cruise control, especially on loooong drives as it allows you to concentrate on the road only and not your speed and loolking for cops. I find it a great safety device, as it's much less fatiguing.

    Anyway, my Golf disengaged it's cruise as soon as you touched the clutch, so I've never driven a manual with a 10 second disengaging CC.

    My parent's Sube Liberty has cruise and it's great, just with only a 2.5 4 in it and fully loaded, it has trouble up hills regardless. Just the CC won't accelerate as hard as a good bootfull of right foot.

    Also driven CC on Falcons and a retro fit on my parent's Volvo 850 and they all work pretty well. I'm abig fan, especially during double demerit weekends, or on those fragile drives home after a bender of a night...cruise at 50kph makes driving so much easier with a hangover! :p

    We were going to get one for the GTi6, there's one stocked at Autobarn, not sure of the brand anymore though.
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    Brenno,

    That's the problem with the C3 - there is no stalk. The genuine cruise is buttons mounted *in* the steering wheel so they have to (we assume) replace the steering wheel.

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    Is that from the owners manual? If the 307 experience is anything to go by, expect the actual factory cruise control to arrive more than a year after the car's launched! Can't understand what was so hard about it - but the 307 IIRC is the first throttle by wire Peugeot.

    Haven't heard of CC being on any overseas C3s (yet). The stalks on the C3 are a little different - they don't have a separate radio stalk, which is like the CC stalk on most PSA cars - so looks like a new steering wheel boss would be required.

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    DeKa:
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    That's the problem with the C3 - there is no stalk. The genuine cruise is buttons mounted *in* the steering wheel so they have to (we assume) replace the steering wheel.

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    I've got to say the best cruise control i've ever used was on my friend's $250k BMW 7 series. But when you're paying that much - i think you'd kinda expect it to be a winner!
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    My dad's Volvo has great cruise, and when it hits a hill, it floors the throttle and jumps from 4th to 2nd gear evil

    My friend who just bought a TS v6 Magna has aftermarket cruise installed, and it works better then many OEM CC's i have used. I'll check out the brand.
    The stalk for it looks a little like the 505 factory cruise stalk.

    Liam Wishart:
    I want to install cruise in my 505 gti to. was it difficult? My dad is very electronically minded so i'll try and bribe him into helping...
    Where did you mount the driveshaft sensor?
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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by Pug505exec:
    [QB]My dad's Volvo has great cruise, and when it hits a hill, it floors the throttle and jumps from 4th to 2nd gear evil

    Surely someone has a S**B story to match that?
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    JohnW:
    Surely someone has a S**B story to match that?
    A sob story? About Cruise Control? disappro

    tongue tongue tongue roll_lau roll_lau

    Thanks for the useful replies guys!
    I'll check out this Repeller, and also Auscruise.
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    Jason, we installed it over a number of weeks - not that it was huge job, but it wasn't a big priority. The CC kit came with a video which was handy for installation. Was a bit of fiddling involved in mounting the CC cable to the throtle drum without interfearing with the speedo cable, drive shaft sensor was mounted toward the rear of the vechile near the axle - needed to lengthen the cable they provided to do this. Mounted the accutator under the battery, nowhere else to put it - people keep saying that the engine bay in the 505 is roomy! I can't see it! The control unit fits snugly in the recess next to the headlight beam adjuster - fits in with the interior quite well.

    <small>[ 11 March 2003, 09:48 PM: Message edited by: Liam Wishart ]</small>

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