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    Alright Alan, tell us what your son has done to the cx

    Hi Alan, we've all seen the pictures, and got jealous, but what mods have you and your son done to his CX.

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    Orrightee!!
    I probably should get him to tell you but at the moment he is sorting out a Protein (is that spelt right??) for rally or racing, hasn't said which, & has to do work on "Wildcat" the 7 litre twin turbo XJS ex Kerry Packer Jag which is competing at Queensland Raceway this weekend.
    Basically the story is that I bought a CX 2.4 Pallas 5 speed manual in 1990. After a few years of fairly heavy service, the motor started to get a bit smokey & I had met this craaazy Frenchman who reckoned he could get me a new motor on one of his twice a year overseas jaunts for a few dollars. I got a very excited Frenchman on the phone one day (are they all hyper active??) teling me how he had found a 2.5 GTi with 120,000 on the clock for a real (& I mean REAL) cheap .
    I bought it sight unseen only to find I had me a character in tow who knew nothing about cars & was out for the fast buck big time. After almost coming to blows with this clown, we eventually managed to get these two bloody great boxes here that weighed tons & unpacked them. As we had determined we had a con artist on our hands we stripped the motor & held our respective breaths wondering what we would find & to our surprise, it turned out that the donk was a clanger!! The most disappointing thing was that the old 2.4 with carb & distributor would out perform it. I was constantly having problems being able to get access to my car as every time I went to the garage either the motor was airborne or the wheels were off or some great drama had befallen it so I put a suggestion to his nibs that I had spotted a BX 16 Trs & if he paid for that, he could have the CX complete with two great cartons of bits. I didn't have to ask twice, A complete set of black leather upholstery which came from overseas was fitted, then a custom made exhaust was manufactured. This was then metal sprayed so that it will last indefinitely. The boot was given the flick in favour of a great box of speakers, amps & crossovers as he works at an electronics store & a lot of his work involves designing & fitting these "boom boxes". To make it all sound right, a roll of rubberised soundproofing arrived weighing 150 kgs & was duly installed throughout along with the standard underfelting. One of his mates who is involved in chip tuning & race car setting up (formerly of Newman Haas) who is a dab hand with a TIG welder set about & built a full aluminium radiator. This has meant that it takes about 40 minutes to get the thermal fans to cut on if left idling in the garage so they are going to do something to rectify that. A MoTec engine management system was fitted which included getting TDC exactly right on all 4 cylinders & then having pegs shrunk in to the flywheel at the designated points to trigger the sensors. Presently he is in the process of rebuilding a turbo from the race car owned by the pilot of the plane who ran out of fuel at Maroochydore the other day & getting it ready to fit up to the system. The blow off valve is sitting on the bench sparling & new but before that goes in, the donk is coming out & new pistons will be cast from his design in NZ. On a recent G-tech test, his CX is now almost as quick as my 16V - but not quite, which pisses him off no end; the old man's car stock standard quicker than the son's modified one
    The wheels of course are obvious mods but it really does make you laugh when you pull alongside some of these would be boy racers in their Commodes, Fowlcans & Crapsuns & blow them away with what they consider a novelty car; mind you they should be used to it by now; I've been doing it for years!!

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    Alan,

    Is that the Twin Turbo Jag that is black
    Massive simmons with 335 something tyres
    If i remember it did 10 sec et down the quarter mile with around 800hp on tap
    Built by gary someone if i can remember


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    Looks great Alan, can we have an engine bay shot?

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    Alan, tell your son, that thats some nice work

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    Yes Murat that's the one. Tom Veale's.
    I came home one day to find it sitting where my BX should go They also own a Silver one same model but only 6.4 litre which should start running at hillclimbs & things soon with his missus in control. He reworked something in the engine management department that he didn't like; it seems everything is created for 4 - 6 or 8 cylinders so what happens with a V - 12? They hook up an 8 & a 4 (= 12) After he redid it, the car was to run at a sprint meet, & last year Tom was wanting to lap at around 50 secs. no - go 53 was his best. Along comes my fellow & redoes the system & he effortlessly does 44 so he was impressed!!

    A couple of things I should have mentioned about the CX though. His mate owns a clutch rebuilding business, so the clutch has been touched up, the brake rotors were ground & I think it was steel pads fitted & he rewired the entire car, so instead of having all those knife connectors & wires with the ends chopped off lying everywhere under the bonnet, this one looks very "unCitroenlike"


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    Hi Alan,

    sounds like what you need to do is get rid of your cat and get the 16valve breathing properly like the early ones... Then once he's turbo'd the CX, you'll probably still be door handle to door handle @ 160km/h

    That'd really piss him off... I would see the boost pressure being screwed up pretty quickly!!

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    Hey Alan,

    Is this meet you are talking of the classic car meet that is supposed to have several hundred cars coming to it this weekend?

    Twin Turbo 7.0 litre HoooHaaaa !!

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    Don't know for sure Chipper. I will ask & post as soon as I get an answer. All I know is that there is a panic job on the Jag (Wildcat) as they rang last night to say it had been taken for a run & didn't feel right. BTW the car is known as the "Gary Walker Developments" Jag. Someone asked & I forgot to reply to that one.
    The story of how KP ended up driving such a firecracker I have been told was that he bought the car new & having a bit of an ego (what an understatement thatwas!!) took great delight in blowing all & sundry away at traffic light derbys. They reckon that he got dusted big time by a Porsch 911 one day & drove the car straight to the Jag dealer he bought it from & told them that he didn't spend all that money on a Jag for the priviledge of being touched up by a "bloody kraut wagon" & for them to take the car & not send it back to him until they could guarantee that no 911 would ever "dust him off" again. Price was no object - the result was what counted. When he sold it, I believe at one stage it was offered at $200,000 I couldn't tell you what age it was at that stage. The comical part was that both the present owner & his wife fell in love with the car when they saw it at a car show & one day she got a phone call at home from Walker who knew they were keen on the car. Her husband thought she was joking when he got home that night & she informed him she'd bought it over the phone. The paint job BTW was $12,000; they live in different worlds don't they ?
    If it turns out that my fellow will be going to the meet, I'll post & if anyone else is going you can look him up. Strangely, although he does all the hi-tech work on this car I don't think he has actually seen it race yet.

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    Alan,

    Thanks for the story allan
    I read a article on that jag once in a mag
    Very special car
    I think the post from shane above got mixed up
    He might think u own it
    That car is faster than any production car in the world including the maclaren f1
    The only porsche i have been imformed about
    that is quicker is the german car known as ruf 9.0 sec quarter mile
    I will bet the jag will be more comfortable
    Quiter
    More refined ride LOL

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    About the weekend at Ipswich Raceway.

    It's apparently a two day affair & "all being well" the Jag & the son will both be there. The car won't be hard to spot, neither will he; he's 6'2" very blonde medium length air & if he's in his car --- Handle's Brad.

    Look him up. You won't have any trouble getting him to show you the CX

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    Alan,

    Cool, will try to look him up and say g'day

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    Hi everyone,

    Funnily enough, I know one of the guys who worked in the Jag workshop when they modified that XJS for Kerry Packer. His name is Ian Mills and he also worked on the Tom Walkinshaw Racing Bathurst Jags as well as I think the red Gary Wilmington Bathurst XJS. I got the impression that he wasn't too keen on Tom Walkinshaw, although that doesn't surprise me.

    Ian told me that when Kerry sold it, it was bought by the owner of the Jag workshop. Apparently it was in the workshop when the workshop caught on fire and the XJS was badly damaged. Afterwards, Ian and the other guys had the job of rebuilding it, and they modified it even further from when Kerry had it. I think they also added some stuff to bring it up to date with the later Jags in styling etc. Ian told me that he was in the car once going along the freeway towards Penrith when they got it up to about 320-330km/h (I can't remember which it was 320 or 330). He said it was the only car he ever drove that when you accelerated you couldn't pull yourself forward with the steering wheel, because the acceleration on full throttle was that strong. Pretty awesome!

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    Yes Dave,

    I just walked inside after they sorted the problems. I was standing with theowner when my fellow gave it a boot full & he said to me "is that thing pinging?" "Errr - No, that's blue metal off the bitumen bouncing off the tailshaft!!!!"
    Neighbours won't be talking to me for another week

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    Hi Alan,

    what's Brad done with the CX headlights. Whipped over to my girlfriends work the other night (she works an hour away)... Anyway it took me 35minutes to get there, the only problem being the headlights on my CX are woefully inadequate. Cruising at 160km/h was hard due to the fact I couldn't see far enough ahead. Man that extra gear has made a difference, cruising at 160km/h has the motor spinning @ ~~4300rpm....Coooollllll...

    Has he added long range spots or anything?? I've already relayed mine and chucked 110watt globes in them. The headlights have good silver and the glass is OK. I guess I'm looking at fitting some bloody ugly external lights if I want more output?

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    Shane,

    I fixed the light problem years ago but you have to remember that I live in what is probably a different set of circumstances than most, namely a rural area with a very small percentage of urban driving, and most of my running is long distance country road stuff but having said that I think through many years of experience of owning Cits, I have come up with a practical solution. I think this was proven when Brad had to run us to Bris. to catch the plane to Sydney a couple of weeks ago. Round trip of around 700+ klms & 500 of it in the dark - high speed - no probs.
    The 80 X 110 bulbs are right as is the relay. Next you set the passenger side light VERY high and focus it in towards the kerb slightly; that way you don't end up with some urban warrior in a wank tank with spots trying to burn your eyeballs out when you are already on low beam. I set the beam at around 6 - 700 metres on the passenger side & normal on the drivers. The idea of this is that if a 'roo decides suicide by motor car is the way to go, you get plenty of warning, if the local cockeys cows get on the road their eyes light up in plenty of time to stop, if the local coppers in the fight for law, order, justice, & the future of humanity, set up a speed camera site, it illuminates it, either the sign, the whalloper, or his car emblem in plenty of time to slow down (the best of them need 700 m to focus on you). The beauty of it all is that once you have the lights focussed right, & you'll be lucky to get it the first time, you don't blind the oncoming traffic with the maladjusted light as with the style of CX lights the reflectors don't cause a direct glare into the RHS of the vision area, whilst you still have the ability to melt the odd eyeball if an oncoming vehicle doesn't dip. People who have driven in the Silver CX reckon it has the best lights they have ever seen. Suggest you start of by trying to adjust in the garage, but I think you will probably have to resort to a "drive in the country" & actually set it up out on a long vacant stretch of road.

    Alan S
    P.S. FWIW - to gauge a fairly accurate distance, a 5 acre (2 ha) block of land is normally 100 m frontage, so if you hace any five acre subdivisions round your way, that's where you can at least get the distance about right.

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    Thanks Alan,

    I give that a bash and see how I go. I usualy don't do a huge amount of driving at night anymore, but it is good to have decent headlights....

    Dave, here's a pic of Brads underbonnet. To see more pics have a look at:

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/citroe...mith%27s%20CX/

    I've just posted the one as it'll take this page forever to download otherwise

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    Hi Alan, is your son going to use the original block when he turbo charges it, as the citroen cx gti turbo's use a variant of the cx diesel block , which simply has the bores molded straight from the block, not liners as in other cx's. apparently the Makspeed Cx turbos had up to 400 hp with just an exhaust, ecu mods, and boost increases. owners found that the cars would then hit the redline in fifth, so 17inch wheels and then a diesel 5 speed gearbox was fitted. apparently even then they still hit the redline, at an indicated 270

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    The present plan is to use the original block as the prefix number shown on it indicated thst it was in fact a turbo block. He was planning to get pistons cast in NZ & was getting the valves ceramic coated by some company down south. He is going to be at Willowbank on both Saturday & Sunday. Saturday is "Show time" whilst the Jag is booked for a 10 lapper on Sunday. Best chance to grab him would be on the Saturday as I would imagine Sunday he'll be in demand in the pits if anything goes amiss. At this stage the Jag is firing on all pots & went in for a wheel align etc today.
    Speaking to Jag Tom & he tells me that this is going to be a REAL BIG meet with hundreds of cars expected. Kev. Bartlett along with a lot of the racers fron yesteryear should be coming up for it. Brad's going to the broadwater car park do on Saturday night. He won't be in the CX this weekend though, he will be in the silver grey VK Commodore that features in this months Street Commodores; kee4ps this up & I'll disinherit him.

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    just a thought to boost horse power on Brads CX.... hook that sound system to the exhaust. Just had a look at the yahoo pics really impressive.

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    Hi alan, whats he going to do with the gearbox, might have some traction problems , anyway last year arthur lewis still had a cx 5 speed rally box, with a lsd, might be worth investigating

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