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    Holden to re-release the torana

    yes it's true
    holden have officially run out of ideas for new cars and have decided to repeat history

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    I would love to see a mid-sized RWD or 4WD 6 cyl in Australia. But I wish they would at least consider putting inthe new 200kw V6 Holden is bringing out.

    After recently looking for tow vehicle unless you want a 4wd, commercial van, or the Falcodore there isnt much else you can choose from. (I dont want a FWD tow car).
    Bring it on! I just hope it hendles better than the last Torry.
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    A Torana with a daewoo engine being compared to a merc, a beemer and a lexus??!! eek! Exuse me while I pick myself up off the floor - laughing too hard
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    ... great.......woohoo.... can't wait....., it tooK Holden a while to do the retro thing. Will they come with a Gtr badge... can i get it as a Taxi pack.....will ethanol kill the components..... will they bend, crash and burn as well as the originals? - chris

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    Wonder if they'll bring out a Mt Druit model?
    Under coated 2 door, with GTR badges and spoiler kit. sports exhaust with twin hotdogs and lowered so it scrapes on speed humps.
    They could even have a merchandising line of flannies, black t-shirts and desert boots
    Sure to be winner a_drink

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    2 pugs:
    Wonder if they'll bring out a Mt Druit model?
    Under coated 2 door, with GTR badges and spoiler kit. sports exhaust with twin hotdogs and lowered so it scrapes on speed humps.
    They could even have a merchandising line of flannies, black t-shirts and desert boots
    Sure to be winner a_drink

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    2 mufflers ?!! Who puts 2 mufflers on a torry?!
    My LC had 1, and was still a lot quieter than a lot of modern cars.
    At $26k Im sure it will be a hit with the locals as long as you get a triple SU with it or a huge Holley (or Holley sticker at least).
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    What about a huge SLR5000 sticker as well and bolt on guards dead

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    I think you guys are being a bit harsh.

    Holden do a good job, considering that they are such a small maker, selling to such a small market, relatively speaking. To be able to put together even a half decent car with their presumably megre R&D and tooling budjet is a good effort.

    But I'm no fan of the Commondore simply because it's too big and heavy for my taste, and the rear suspension is sloppy. But they must be given credit for vastly improving the ancient Chevy V6 that's been in every Commondore since the VN. The VL, however, was really nice, possibly Holden's finest hour.

    A smaller Holden might be a good thing. You never know.
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    frogs4ever:
    I think you guys are being a bit harsh.
    ture,i don`t mind holden my dad hads VH,VP and now are VX and its a nice car to drive the only thing that i hate about holden is that the back is too high,and alot of makes are bring back old cars

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    .....hmmm....WHAT IF THE WHEELS COULD TALK TO EACH OTHER......new torana????what will happen to the vectra....which seems like a fine car and very well built???imo holden should have done the torana five years ago....it would be interesting how they go with it considering how competitive the midsized market is...

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    ther is nothing thats sporty ( i mean sporty with potential for track work) since the AE86 Sprinter left the scene.

    Beemers are overpriced, lexus.... well its lexus..

    afordable RWD .. I would like to see that. Considering its going to Germany to compete with beemers there I think it might be half decent. If HSV give the R&D a helping hand with some tuning it might be more than half decent. If French went back to producing modern day 504 sized car most of us would be drooling in anticipation.

    I just hope Holen doesnt do a shit job with it.
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    I just hope Holen doesnt do a shit job with it.[/QB]
    Keep hoping....
    In Holdens defence, they do have some clever engineers working for them, they just get crap to work with. My friend is an engineer working on developing the next gen commodore from a cadillac platform - she drives a 306, and her husband drives a 306 cab. She reckons the engineers carpark is filled with beemers, alfas and pugs.
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    Haakon:
    she drives a 306, and her husband drives a 306 cab. She reckons the engineers carpark is filled with beemers, alfas and pugs.
    Why am I not surprised .. and they get a nice discount working for Holden (something like 15-20%) and they still don't drive them. Shame whip

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    She does drive them a fair bit (as she gets them to drive so she knows whats she working with, and how much to appreciate her pug ). She says she hates it when she gets something like big v8 ute or statesman, as shes quite little. Had a hell week in a v8 manual ute once - she reckons she could hardly push the clutch in.
    But now I think about it, she may have sold her Pug by now, as shes basically getting a new free car every month(not fair, the more money you make, the more freebies you get...), and the Astras are not too bad a drive.
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    Haakon:
    and the Astras are not too bad a drive.
    I'd think I could live with one hairdrier model - especially if they were free.

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    I quite like the Astras actually - had one at work for a while and it was a lot fun to drive on undulating country back roads. Its almost an honoury frog for its fun factor. wink Great engine and Lotus did a top job on its chassis tuning.
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    Agreed - The pleb Astra's that I have driven have had superb chassis control and nicely direct steering.

    They almost feel like a 306.

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    Parents have an astra, nice car

    Steering is a little strange, suspension is quite good, a little hard perhaps, but overall a nice little big car.

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    The Astra has the closest feel of any of the current hatches to the 306 - the first thing I noticed (after driving the 306 loan car for the day) was the steering weighting was very similar. That feel was what felt very 306ish.

    I think the Focus handles better though, better than the 306 too, but there's a slightly different feel about it. It does seem to have a little more sophistication (which really is expected given the more complex rear suspension - the 306's finesse really is quite impressive given the simplicity of a trailing arm/torsion bar setup).

    The 1.8 was quite a nice engine too. Ideally I'd put that engine in a Focus.

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    how can they compare a merc and bmw to those things, they are nothing alike and never have been..... 2_cents

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    I love this statement "The Torana was eventually put to rest in 1979, when the UC made way for the new Commodore and Camira" .. while the Crummiedoor still goes strong, can't say the same for the Lemonira

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    XTC206:
    .. while the Crummiedoor still goes strong, can't say the same for the Lemonira

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    If you want to get really picky, it is still going - its called a Vectra . The Camira was based on the European Opel Cavelier, which slowly evolved into the Opel Vectra... We just didnt get the in between models Europe did - probably for a fairly good reason whistle
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    Haakon:
    If you want to get really picky, it is still going - its called a Vectra
    Is the Vectra plagued with problems ? .. I was under the impression it was solid (but boring) - they didn't sell heaps of them though.

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    XTC206:
    Haakon:
    If you want to get really picky, it is still going - its called a Vectra
    Is the Vectra plagued with problems ? .. I was under the impression it was solid (but boring) - they didn't sell heaps of them though.

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    Dunno, seems a decent enough car (though I have heard a rumour that you have to take the engine out if you want to replace the steering rack...).
    I think even the original Caveleir was Ok, but boring - it was just the Oz interpretation that was a bit dodge, and even then it was only the early ones and the later ones were ok. But I'm not a Holden expert - thank god...
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    If you want to get a feel for what the Opel Vectra A/Vauxhall Cavalier was like to drive go find a 1994+ Saab 900 .

    I do feel rather sorry for Saab, having that horrible 80s platform thrust upon them once they were bought by GM. Thank god the Vectra B (first one we got) was significantly better, as it was what sat under the Saab 9-5.
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