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    Oran Park Closing

    Members will also be disappointed to here that Oran Park has been sold to Landcom. Racing will finish some time in 2005.

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    Say waaat .... so is there news on what the new owners plan to do with the site??
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    Why the hell would he sell when he just spent Millions on the new pit area ???

    F%$K this P&^^ES ME OFF !!!!!

    I'm going to have a car with nowhere to use it !!!!

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    Say waaat .... so is there news on what the new owners plan to do with the site??
    Xq

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    Hmmm... Landcom buys large tract of land in western Sydney. I wonder what they will do with it????

    Perhaps they are going to turn it into a nature reserve?! NOT. I'd reckon they're going to turn it into a "housing estate". I can just see the faux sandstone gateway with "Oran Park Estate" or "Raceway Acres" or similar....

    Another victim of Sydney's burgeoning population growth and relentless drive to build more blocks of ticky tacky that all look the same.

    Pity that people can't be convinced to move out of the hell hole that Sydney is becoming.

    I must use my contact and get access to a pit pass for the truck racing real soon now.

    Sad fact of life if Oran Park closes. Does anyone remember Amaroo and the hassle that the nearby housing developments caused due to the noise from the track?

    Wonder how long till Eastern Creek goes the same way?

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    Oh f*ck me! Why don't we just ban racing all together. The govt and police are always preaching to the young to take their racing off the streets and onto the track. Ummm......there are hardly any tracks left. So another great Australian racing venue gives way to the abyss of suburban sprawl, that is western Sydney. Brisbane is worse. It reminds me of the Trueman Show.

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    This is a very common situation with devlopments which occur close to existing uses, al-be-it sometimes non-conforming. If the development order was reversed, the raceway would not be allowed to be sited near existing residential estates unless sufficient information could demonstrate the resulting sound level did not exceed those required by the council's noise policy.

    The same goes for this instance. If the developers wanted to situate new residential land in proximity to the raceway, they would be expected to provide noise attenuation to any houses which would be affected by noise...gernally around 63db. Council's can also ask for covernants to be placed on any of the lots so they can regulate house designs.

    In relation to the sale of the raceway to developers, unfortunatly it all comes down to economics and political presure. I know nothing about this particular site, but if the presure from the residents against the raceway is greater then the economic value to the Council, the Council will do their best to 'encourage' the raceway to sell, either by legistlating against them (which opens them up for compensation claims) or changing operating conditions and lisencing requirements. When it comes down to the crunch, if the owners of the raceway are offered a reasonable offer to sell, they will regardless (unfortunatly) of the loss of the track.

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    Craig I agree with your sentiments entirely. It is appalling.
    There will be another "noddy town" in the middle of nowhere springing up again.
    It is a disgrace.

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    Appalling is an understatement. When it closes, there will be just Eastern Creek and Wakefield to cater for greater NSW population in general. I can't imagine more events being staged at Bathurst. The only hope is that the Newcastle MG car Club gets approval for its proposed track at Ringwood.

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    I live about 10 minutes drive from Oran Park and within the same local government area (Camden). Perich (the guy who owns it) has been talking about selling it to landcom since the mid 1980s. In fact I remember one of his friends saying to my father in 1988 that that whole area was going to be suburbs within a few years. When it didn't eventutuate and then when they just put the new pit area in last year, I had great hopes that they had given up on the landcom idea. I am dismayed to here it has finally gone through.

    A lot of us locals are going to be very peeved about this. They keep putting in new housing estates, while leaving the infrastructure as is. The result is that my mothers 35 minute drive to Liverpool to work, now takes her around 1.5 hours during peak hour. It's just getting ludicrous. Do they really think that there's going to be enough water if they keep letting Sydney expand like this?

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    Guys,

    With all due respects, if you're going to move on trying to get something done, now is the time to do it; I mean as in right now.
    You have an election looming in NSW and one coming up in Queensland in the next 12 months & Johnny's making noises like a possible double dissolution.
    I would suggest you get your heads together, all the motoring clubs & anyone interested in doing something & start moving.
    I have been involved fairly heavily into putting pressure on Government bodies and Ministers for close on 20 years & gone about the right way you could have a win to some extent at this stage of the life of any Parliament.
    Trouble with Motor sport at any level is the bloody politics & egos that get in the way of achievers and that is something that would need to be spelt out loud & clear to all parties concerned before you start. When the bullshit & glory hunters come in, the achievers move out!!
    The biggest hurdle I can see is negating the influence Avesco would have on certain MPs due to their long held desire to hold a monopoly over motor sport in this country. A possible loss of a seat in Parliament is as good an incentive that I know.
    If anyone wants to set this up & have discussions on this, I would suggest it not be done on an open forum such as this but I am prepared to set up a private board which is accessible by registered members only where we can discuss these matters.
    At present I can give a limited amount of time due to my preparing a submission to a Parliamentary enquiry as well as a couple of others to Ministers regarding some on-going local problems which is why I would possibly have to keep a reasonably low profile so as not to be perceived to be rabble rousing and negating the effect of any committee or deputation involved.
    There's the offer; anyone interested are welcome to let me know & I'll do the groundwork setting up where it can be discussed, tactics & who to contact, but others will have to be prepared to do some of the legwork & I will only take on a public role if things start to get a bit rough & it is felt impossible to handle by anyone not experienced in such matters.
    This of course will not be possible in NSW, after all, no NSW polly is going to be too concerned as to what a Queenslander thinks is he?

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    What a sad situation...

    But let's get a couple of things straight first.

    Oran Park is not, nor ever was, a 'great' circuit. It was a scrubby Club circuit that got an injection of money to expand. Then it grew some more, but at virtually every turn it just became more of what it always was. Second rate.

    Initially it was run by a Club as a Club circuit. Then that organisation continued to run it as a National circuit and were out of their depth. It was taken over by a professional group who had big ideas and a circuit not up to the job.

    Sure, it's seen some great races, but the circuit that aided in the death of the truly great circuit at Warwick Farm is still not great. Useful, convenient, yes. Dangerous, definitely, having a greater toll than any circuit in Australia... Marchiori, Heffernan, Pugh, Moxon, Delbridge, Xeureb... the list is enormous.

    The Amaroo Park situation was different, too. It wasn't encroachment that killed Amaroo (in the immediate sense, anyway) but stupidity of the owners, who took a huge lease on Eastern Creek and committed themselves to expenditure that ultimately forced them to sell, not only Amaroo Park, but also their valuable landholdings at Bathurst.

    Eastern Creek may survive, Wakefield Park will survive. But where will a circuit spring up that can satisfy the needs of Sydney's motor sporting population?

    Logically, along a freeway and railway that will give access to all types of people... a site at Menangle looked perfect twenty years ago, but now it's too close for comfort. Between there and Pheasant's Nest there should be something... or to the north of Wyong somewhere. Again, perhaps somewhere served by the Wollongong rail and road network?

    But what a huge and risky undertaking today! I believe it can be done, and that there are ways to do it... but it will take imagination and aggressive marketing.

    But whatever happens, please let the circuit be better than Oran Park, and longer than 3kms.

    By the way, the Ringwood project started over twenty years ago with John Kierath at the helm of the Newcastle Motor Racing Club and the area was zoned, IIRC, for motor sport.

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    Oh... by the way, where is this information from?

    I posted it on Atlas today and was promptly told it wasn't right... can we have some kind of source please?

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    "Speaking of Oran Park, we have learnt that week that it has been sold to Landcom and will be no more after, at the latest, mid 2005.
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    So it's all hearsay?

    Maybe the joint will still be there. Bruce Moxon has posted on Atlas that Perich denied selling the place just a week ago.

    <small>[ 22 February 2003, 11:37 PM: Message edited by: Ray Bell ]</small>

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    Hi all,

    I remeber Amaroo, I even remember Warwick Farm.
    What about the Vale circuit in Bathurst that went up Gorman's Hill road? The Hume Weir circuit.
    My dad had a lot to do with the Marlboro HDT back in their hey day, Bathurst every year, Oran Park, Amaroo. John Harvey, Colin Bond, Harry Firth, Jim Richards, Charlie O'Brien. Brings back very fond memories of my younger days. My fondest memories of Amaroo were of Alan Moffat in 2nd gear at 12k revs in his RX7 when every one else was in fourth gear halfway up the straight. I saw the demise of Amaroo. You won't stop the demise of Oran Park.
    Have a go though!

    The encroachers upon these patches have little more to worry about than the taste of their drinking water and who is saving the speckled duck!

    Good luck!

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    Just saw the website... they are denying that they've sold the place and that it will be lost in 'the foreseeable future'...

    Folks, according to Oran Park, it will not be happening.

    Ralph... I suggest you go do a lap of the Wirlinga-Thurgoona circuit some time... anyone in Adelaide should go look at the greatest of them all...

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    Ray Bell:
    What a sad situation...

    But let's get a couple of things straight first.

    Oran Park is not, nor ever was, a 'great' circuit. It was a scrubby Club circuit that got an injection of money to expand. Then it grew some more, but at virtually every turn it just became more of what it always was. Second rate..
    Ray,

    I agree. I just don't want my local area to end up an endless sea of houses, with constant water restrictions and never ending traffic jams.

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    Quick - someone go and find some green and golden bellfrogs and put them in a pond at Oran Park. Those little buggers can stop anything going ahead.

    And after all, they are an AussieFrog head_ban
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    Ray,

    Where was the Wirlinga-Thurgoona cicuit? I've been there many times and didn't know there even was a circuit! The only place I could imagine it to be would be up Knobles Rd. where the Wirlinga army site is. I've been around the Hume Weir circuit when the gates have been opened (knocked down!).
    I was staying at Woodside (16AD) last year and went for a drive to Adelaide up the back way in a brand new Commodore wagon. The directions I was given was to go to Lobethal and turn right. I ended up turning left there and had one of the most enjoyable drives I had ever had. It was one of the tightest and windiest roads I'd been on that went for any length. Too bad it was an auto!

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    The Wirlinga-Thurgoona circuit was a rectangle formed by the Riverina Highway in the south, the Thurgoona road in the north and utilising the old Hume Highway in the east and Orphanage Lane in the west.

    Orphanage Lane is now only found in bits and pieces, but can be clearly be seen from the Riverina Highway and at points along its path where new subdivisions cross it.

    The Thurgoona road is realigned, so nothing like what it was, and the southern end of the Hume Highway stretch has moved a bit to the east as well.

    Lemme see... what pics have we?

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