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    Renting a performance car in Europe?

    I am planning a trip to the UK and Europe in June/July. I am wanting to hire a performance car to go to the Nurburgring. I am also wanting to drive some of the famous roads of Europe. Taking in some stages of the Monte Carlo rally ect. I will propably hire the car in France. I am thinking along the lines of a Renault Clio Sport, Xsara VTS or an MX5. Has anyone had experience with doing this, costs ect? I am particularly interested to hear from anyone who has driven a rental around the Nurburgring. It seems most of the mainstream companies only have shopping carts.

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    best of luck with any of those dreams big guy

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    If you're renting for any length of time and doing so from France you want to look at the tax-free lease schemes run by the french manufacturers. They generally offer most if not all the product range, but cost is based on new price of vehicle, so any of the hotties won't be real cheap. You get a brand new lhd car, have to carry out any servicing at your cost once its past the free one, breakdown service, insurance, have to have money in the bank and sign a promise to buy it if you don't return it, etc, etc. I've had a 104 for three months, and driven BX19TZS & BX14RE on these schemes and never had a problem.
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    Cal, i know you had your head onto the Nurburgring but, also consider a drive day in the UK, for a certain price in one day you get to thrash several exotics ranging from caterhams300's to 911 and TVR's... think bout it.
    You do this in groups and on a real track like Donnington or Brax, and you get expert tips from good coaches/staff.
    thought ya might like to know.
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    PS,.If ya really wanna do the Nuring, get a 106gti/saxo VTS from a rentals place and go for it, just be VERY careful as the ring is an OPEN road.
    ALSO isle of man and the south of france are great drives.
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    I've been thinking about the Old Ring as well so I've done a bit of research as well. Two really good sites that come to mind are:

    Ben Lovejoy's Nurburgring site:
    <a href="http://www.nurburgring.org.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.nurburgring.org.uk/</a>

    Jorund Seim's motorcycle site:
    <a href="http://www.motorcycle-dk.com/default.htm" target="_blank">http://www.motorcycle-dk.com/default.htm</a>

    Unfortunately Jorund Seim was killed on the Nurburgring when his bike hit an oil slick. It just proves we are all mortal.

    From what I've read there are some pointers about the Ring:
    1. Keep WELL within your limits.
    2. The Nurburgring is extremely dangerous (there is about one OFFICIAL death per week - i.e deaths that occur due to injury later are not counted).
    3. It is a public road.
    4. Be extremely careful about the rental agreements. Some will not provide insurance cover on the Nurburgring.
    5. Read the safety pamphlet.
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    apparently some of the wealthy japanese youth like to get their cars transported to the ring so they can see what kind of times their godzillas can achieve, i read about it in one of the import mags....but i suppose if u really want an adrenalin rush buy a nikki (for the price of days rental)i m sure it ll be just as scary as driving a gtr at 280+.....i was passed on the eastern freeway once by a motorcycle and a gtr (i think the gtr driver was racing aginst the bike)..when they passed me they would have easily have been doing more than 200 clicks: one on the left lane the other on the right....i was in the middle lane and doing the legal 100 but felt like a papercup in a roadrunner cartoon....i think my wife still believes they were UFOs...

    cheers....

    ps...apparently the old trabants, which were made out of compressed cardboard (ie paper)have been just driven through....imagine that...a big 7 series at 250kph hitting an old trabant doing 70kays..ughhh...all i can say is BE CAREFULL...there is to many loosers out there...

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    Cal,

    I looked at the possibility of a Renault Sport Clio or other performance car last time I leased a car with the non-EU citizen leasing schemes available.

    Renault Eurodrive doesn't do performance cars
    <a href="http://www.renault-eurodrive.com" target="_blank">http://www.renault-eurodrive.com</a>

    The other leasing schemes are Peugeot Sodexa <a href="http://www.driveaway.com.au" target="_blank">http://www.driveaway.com.au</a> and Citroen Eurolease <a href="http://www.citroen.com.au" target="_blank">http://www.citroen.com.au</a>

    I don't know why they don't do perfomance cars, but there's no harm in asking them again. Maybe if enough people ask they will?

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    I think the reason they don't do performance cars is because sometimes people take them on to the Nurburgring and crash them / thrash them to death...

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    Cal,

    I looked at the possibility of a Renault Sport Clio or other performance car last time I leased a car with the non-EU citizen leasing schemes available.

    Renault Eurodrive doesn't do performance cars
    <a href="http://www.renault-eurodrive.com" target="_blank">http://www.renault-eurodrive.com</a>

    The other leasing schemes are Peugeot Sodexa <a href="http://www.driveaway.com.au" target="_blank">http://www.driveaway.com.au</a> and Citroen Eurolease <a href="http://www.citroen.com.au" target="_blank">http://www.citroen.com.au</a>

    I don't know why they don't do perfomance cars, but there's no harm in asking them again. Maybe if enough people ask they will?

    Derek.
    Derek,

    That is exactly what I have found so far. The most exciting car I have found so far is an Alfa 156. That might have to do.

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    billtran:
    I've been thinking about the Old Ring as well so I've done a bit of research as well. Two really good sites that come to mind are:

    Ben Lovejoy's Nurburgring site:
    <a href="http://www.nurburgring.org.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.nurburgring.org.uk/</a>

    Jorund Seim's motorcycle site:
    <a href="http://www.motorcycle-dk.com/default.htm" target="_blank">http://www.motorcycle-dk.com/default.htm</a>

    Unfortunately Jorund Seim was killed on the Nurburgring when his bike hit an oil slick. It just proves we are all mortal.

    From what I've read there are some pointers about the Ring:
    1. Keep WELL within your limits.
    2. The Nurburgring is extremely dangerous (there is about one OFFICIAL death per week - i.e deaths that occur due to injury later are not counted).
    3. It is a public road.
    4. Be extremely careful about the rental agreements. Some will not provide insurance cover on the Nurburgring.
    5. Read the safety pamphlet.
    Thanks for the tips. I have no intention of trying to prove anything or being a hero. I have just had an obsession with the place for years. I just want to spend a few days there doing some spirited laps. I am planning on going for a ride in the Ring taxi if I can. An M5 driven by a pro doing 9 or so minutes. The waiting list for that is huge, so I will just show up and hope for a cancellation.

    I have a lot of Jorund's videos. It was a sad day indeed when he was killed. He was very popular with the regulars at the Ring.

    Cheers,

    Cal.

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    Cal, i know you had your head onto the Nurburgring but, also consider a drive day in the UK, for a certain price in one day you get to thrash several exotics ranging from caterhams300's to 911 and TVR's... think bout it.
    You do this in groups and on a real track like Donnington or Brax, and you get expert tips from good coaches/staff.
    thought ya might like to know.
    Xq

    PS,.If ya really wanna do the Nuring, get a 106gti/saxo VTS from a rentals place and go for it, just be VERY careful as the ring is an OPEN road.
    ALSO isle of man and the south of france are great drives.
    I have already looked into a drive day in the UK. Although that would be awesome, the cost is too high for one day. If I were to do that, it would be in an open wheeler.

    I have found Caterham's for hire in Germany but the deposit is $5000. I'm not prepared to take that kind of risk.

    The Isle of Man is also on the agenda. No speed limit there either.

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    The one big drawback I can see would be the cost of any sort of insurance. They charge some scarey prices over there. A BX 16V worth 200 - 500 UKPounds can cost 2 - 3000 UKPounds for insurance with a payout in one case = to 1/2 tank of petrol. Someone said the other day that a cracked headlight lense would be enougth cost to warrant a write off, so you can imagine what insurance for a 'foreigner' on a high performance car would be.
    The regulars on the BX 16V board are often talking track days etc with a couple either running or building race cars & running them on a fairly regular basis.
    It may be worth your while to have a word with "Rene" who seems to get around a fair bit including the Continent and see if he can point you in the right direction.
    I think he'd be happy to advise but if you want a foot in with him or a couple of the others I correspond with, just send me a PM & I'll pass on the info. I don't know that it would be worth your while doing an open post though as there are a couple of casual users on there who are a bit of a worry as I understand you are well aware wink

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    Would it be more worthwhile to say buy something like a "classic" Pug 205/405Mi16 in Europe use it for all touring and performance driving then sell it off again before you came back?

    Might be worthwhile giving a few specialists from classic car magazines to see what sort of deal they would do on you buying a car then them buying it back at the end of your trip at a price dependent on condition. With a "classic" car you save the insurance hassles such as voided insurance by the rental company on the 'Ring, and it could possibly work out a fair bit cheaper than renting or leasing. Only problem is that you are likely to be on your own if the car breaks down.
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    how about you buy a 205 dimma, mi16, supercharger etc etc
    make sure it's 15 years old and then bring it back to OZ and i'll buy it off you head_ban cheers! roll_lau

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    Thanks for the tips. I have no intention of trying to prove anything or being a hero. I have just had an obsession with the place for years. I just want to spend a few days there doing some spirited laps. I am planning on going for a ride in the Ring taxi if I can. An M5 driven by a pro doing 9 or so minutes. The waiting list for that is huge, so I will just show up and hope for a cancellation.

    I have a lot of Jorund's videos. It was a sad day indeed when he was killed. He was very popular with the regulars at the Ring.

    Cheers,

    Cal.[/QB]
    I've been obsessed by the Ring as well. I'd really love to do it once I have some money. On Ben Lovejoy's Nurburgring site, he does has a section on rental cars. Here it is...

    Renting a car in Germany can make for a surprisingly cheap weekend. When you consider that you can fly to Bonn or Cologne for less than it will cost you in ferry passage and petrol, and what you spend on car hire you save in tyres and brake-pads, the rental equation starts to make a lot of sense. It also means that people flying in from further afield can still go and play.

    Companies offering fun cars, including things like Elises, Boxsters and 911s, include:

    Turtlerent
    <a href="http://www.turtlerent.de" target="_blank">www.turtlerent.de</a>
    [email protected]
    Tel: +49 69 6109 490
    Fax: +49 69 6109 4915

    Sportscars Weissach
    <a href="http://www.sportcars-weissach.de" target="_blank">www.sportcars-weissach.de</a>
    +49 (0) 7044 937-0
    Weissach-Flacht

    Classic Car Rent
    <a href="http://www.classiccarrent.de" target="_blank">www.classiccarrent.de</a>
    Tel: +49 2191 694744

    If their fleets aren't sufficiently special, you have deep pockets and don't mind travelling quite some distance or paying for delivery, Special Cars has the answer. Ferrari 360 Spider for the weekend, Sir? No problem. Or perhaps your tastes run more to an F40, 550, Diablo or Viper?

    Special Cars
    <a href="http://www.special-cars.de" target="_blank">www.special-cars.de</a>
    +49 7704 8808
    Kirchen-Hausen

    More mainstream companies sometimes have some interesting toys too. For example, at the Avis site click the Fun Cars link:

    Avis
    <a href="http://www.avis.de" target="_blank">www.avis.de</a>
    +49 (0)1805 557755

    Europcar Euskirchen
    <a href="http://www.europcar.de" target="_blank">www.europcar.de</a>
    Tel: +49 2251 866140
    Fax: +49 2251 866141

    Sixt Mayen
    <a href="http://www.sixt.de" target="_blank">www.sixt.de</a>
    Tel: +49 2651 964141
    Fax: +49 2651 964111

    Autovermietung Arndt
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    +49 (0)221 936850 (Köln)
    Düsseldorf/Köln/Bonn

    Budget
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    Autovermietung Drost
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    Barden-Würtemberg (but delivers German wide)

    AVS Autovermietung
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    Bad Salsungen/Eisenach/Erfurt But also delivers.

    C Craule
    <a href="http://www.ccraule.de" target="_blank">www.ccraule.de</a>
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    Koblenz and other major cities.

    For Danes, there's a company close to the border that offers unlimited milage on Boxters and TTs:

    Hertz Miera
    <a href="http://www.hertz-miera.de" target="_blank">www.hertz-miera.de</a>
    +49 (0) 451 702250
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    Bear in mind that fun cars tend to come with decidedly un-fun deposits. It is no coincidence that the German word for 'Excess' is 'Kaution'! Crash a 911, and you can typically wave goodbye to around €3000 (£2000). And you can do that much damage with just a few scratches. The experience of Ringers is that cars are inspected very, very, very carefully on their return. One Ringer said that they spent about 10 minutes checking his 911 for scratches, examining each panel individually from several different angles.

    You should also be aware that some rental contracts specifically prohibit driving on the Nördschleife. Since this is not a question you would want to ask explicitly, my advice would be to ask them to fax you a copy of the terms & conditions before you book. Even if you don't speak any German, you'll recognise the word 'Nördschleife'! Similarly, if having a car delivered from elsewhere in Germany, you may wish to have it delivered to somewhere a little way out.

    Younger drivers should also check the terms for age requirements. Many companies have a minimum age of 25 for fun rentals, and for some cars it can be 30.

    Finally, if you are going to park your Audi TT in the gravel-trap at Aremburg and then claim the accident happened elsewhere, it is recommended that you remove all Ring tickets from the car before returning it ...
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    it's already been said but i'll say it again.
    be careful, a friend of a friend died there last week, his father bought him the track pass for his birthday. frown

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    That's awesome Bill. Thank you mate.

    Andreas, that is terrible news. Was he on a bike or in a car? eek!

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    he was driving a car.

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    I am resurrecting this thread as I really should book my flights for this trip by the end of the month. The Goodwood Festival of Speed is the centre point of the trip on July 12th. I can either spent the month before or the month after touring Europe.

    I have decided on the rental car. Peugoet 206 SW turbo diesel. I will probably pick the car up in Paris and drop it back a month later. I am wanting to go to as many motorsport\car museums as possible. I also need guidance as to the best racing events on the calendar from mid June to mid August. These can be in the UK, Europe or even the USA\Canada (I am considering revisiting the Monterey Historics on the way home). It would be fair to say I am more interested at attending historic events or modern events at historic locations. Also, the remains or old tracks. Brooklands ect. Any advice on the current state of these tracks would be good too.

    Thanks,

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    <a href="http://www.renault-rent.com/" target="_blank">http://www.renault-rent.com/</a>

    I think this service is relatively new, and according to the site you can rent a RS Clio...
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    Cool!

    One month in an RS Clio and covering 5000km, 1755 Euros = AUD$3154. Not too cheap considering I had a mid-range model Scenic for something like $1800 for a month and covered nearly 5000km.

    One day I'd love to rent one though

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    Shades of Hertz Mustang GT350's. Or Kays Rent-A-Car R8 Gordini's if you believed a quote in an English Classic Car magazine last year.

    Back on topic again, what about the old GP circuit at Rheims? Where the old peeling paint control tower and stands are.
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    Cool!

    One month in an RS Clio and covering 5000km, 1755 Euros = AUD$3154. Not too cheap considering I had a mid-range model Scenic for something like $1800 for a month and covered nearly 5000km.

    One day I'd love to rent one though

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    Simon:
    Back on topic again, what about the old GP circuit at Rheims? Where the old peeling paint control tower and stands are.
    Unfortunately they pulled that down last year. I was really wanting to see that.

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    Cal:

    I have decided on the rental car. Peugoet 206 SW turbo diesel. I will probably pick the car up in Paris and drop it back a month later.
    1.4 HDi or 2.0 HDi?

    Either way, I'd be really interested to hear what you think of it =)

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