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    bx16v and mi16 engines.

    Before i order my vernier cam adjusters can anyone [Alan S ?] confirm that these 2 motors are EXACTLY the same in ALL respects.
    The reason i ask is that nowhere can i see in mags/net etc. a mention of cam gears for the bx only for the mi16.
    I'd hate to get them all this way and find out they are slightly "different" cams or something.
    you know what the froggies can be like!

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    jr,

    I *think* they are; have always been led to believe there is no difference.
    As you are no doubt aware though, there are high compression (imports) standard compression (such as in BX 16V) 1.9 litre, 2 litre, alloy blocks & cast iron blocks, some with catalytic converters & some without. There have over there, alloy sumps (air/con models) and pressed steel sumps (not that this should affect the internal design.)
    Speaking to wreckers as I was a few weeks ago regarding internals, those supposedly in the know were doing mix 'n match with internal parts so I would say you would be pretty safe.
    I would suggest that as a bit of insurance, that you post on <a href="http://www.andyspares.com/discussionforum/" target="_blank">http://www.andyspares.com/discussionforum/</a>

    and ask there as there are almost 1000 registered members there many of whom are pretty well versed in both brands and even the IT Admin there, Jon Wood (an aussiefrog member) could confirm. Failing that, they have an on-line parts catalogue which may contain the same bits and can therefore compare part nos.

    Hope that is some help.

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    i can't be 100% certain but i have always been led to believe that they are the same basic engine
    only thing is the citroen was a quicker car as it weighs 100k's less than the Mi-16
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    JR, my motor is also out of the BX and I had it confirmed today that it is the alloy block ie same as Mi16. So, unless they used both motors in the BX, yours should be the same.

    My rocker cover is off at the moment so if there is anything I can measure for you, let me know wink

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    Owen Wuillemin could make you a pair for a lot less than you can import them.

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    Does Owen frequent this site anymore? Peter. If not how do i contact him?
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    For what it is worth to anyone the wrecker in melb
    is adamant the bx has a different [lower] inlet
    manifold.
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    jr20516v:
    For what it is worth to anyone the wrecker in melb
    is adamant the bx has a different [lower] inlet
    manifold.
    cheers jr
    Even so, does this mean it's got a different motor or just a different manifold???

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    We have set in stock. We made a few sets when we made the original ones. Email me and i will give you our contact numbers.

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    By nthe way, i have both 405mi16 motors and a BX16 motor in my 205 and the cams where the pulley mounts is the same.

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    Adrian, what business are you in and what can you offer me for my 205GTi?

    Sorry, fiest time I have seen you on as I am fairly new to the froggy forum.
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    I gave away my vernier sprockets with my unloved 205 Mi16 never thinking I would want them again. Stupid bastard.
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    Alans same motor, different inlet manifold and hppump [????] different loom. Thats about it as far as i can make out.

    cheers jr
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    From what I can make out here & overseas, that's about it J.R.

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    Parry, Not in a business, we just make bits and pieces at home. These are usually made for our 205 race car. Contact me if you need something.

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    Adrian, so are you bringing the race car to wakefield! dance

    I will send you an email.
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    PBs:

    Oran Park: 1:27:9
    Wakefield: 1:05.6 (July 2015)
    Eastern Creek: 1:54 (8v) 1:48 (16V)
    Mt Huntley: 34.44 (2004 stock 205)
    Ringwood: 35.06 (30/10/2005)
    Winton: 1:33.6 (2017)

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