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    Melb. red light/speed camera locations

    Received in an e-mail today:

    <a href="http://home.iprimus.com.au/rangy/pics/camera_1209.jpg" target="_blank"> <a href="http://home.iprimus.com.au/rangy/pics/camera_1209.jpg" target="_blank">http://home.iprimus.com.au/rangy/pics/camera_1209.jpg</a> </a>

    The picture with the listing of sites is roughly 240kB and looks like it was scanned from a newspaper article.

    I wasn't aware until just the other day that the cameras would also detect speed regardless of the light being red or green. So now instead of checking out the intersection as we approach, we'll be checking out our speedos. Anyone know if these sites will be signed, just as the "normal" red-light cameras are at present?

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    Probably not, Bracksie likes his money too much.

    (Don't get me started, I just had a nice little rant about this on Atlas F1 whip )
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    tell u what guys? absolutely appaulled at this governments decision to install these speed/red light cameras... grrr.

    communters are now unnable to safely get to speed over an intersection without being penalised. and im not talking about trying to beat the read light but safely driving through the intersection when amber... you know what im talking about as surely weve all been there.

    i can already see even more bumper bonnet prangs for indecisive and cautious types.

    for black spot intersections - go for it. but having them installed in frign seemingly random areas laughs at every road toll campaign.

    and this is supposed to be about saving lives and not revenue - bullshit .

    we should just have compulsory speed detectors fitted into our speedos and fine us accordingly everytime we go over any speed limit by 4 increments.

    better still, lets all rely on melbournes ever improving and ever so reliable public transport system mallet .

    in a years time, i'd like to see what impact these red light/speed cameras have on the road toll. obviously the official road toll figures dont take into account injuries/non fatal statistics which im certain will rise because of this hypocritical decision.

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    I fail to see your point about 'getting to speed over an intersection' when entering the intersection under the amber light.

    Once you've actually entered the intersection, your obligations regarding the lights are over... you simply have to continue to clear the intersection.

    All traffic lights give you ample time to do this... there is no need to increase your speed (providing you're not travelling at a crawl...) to safely make it to the other side of the intersection.

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    point taken Ray. i agree.

    obviously i was not clear with that comment.

    what im really trying to convey is this governments attempt to yet again mask revenue cameras as safety cameras.

    also, theres that situation of indecisive drivers at intersections. they either slam their brakes or speed through an intersection (regardless of colour) to be sure they "dont get done" when they are unsure if "theyll make it", specially during peak times when speeds tend to be more frenetic. weve all been there.

    ive seen it dozens of times resulting in drivers either being penalised for mereley trying to avert an accident bcoz the bloke behind is travelling too close or the other obvious result with the drivers having a bingle bf the intersection.

    there are dozens of other scenarios that can be played out.

    yes i understand that all drivers possess varying degrees of driving skills and decision making.

    i think these safety/red light cameras will make driving even more dangerous... theres no point to them except for revenue.

    y not just increase the fines? gawd forbid.

    we should just all walk.

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    To be honest I'm quite pleased about the implentation of these. It's a proper safety measure.

    Hopefully it will change the culture of driving around intersections. As it stands at the moment, when people see the amber light they instinctively put their foot down.

    This is bad a for a few reasons. The intersections themselves aren't always the best piece of road to be travelling at high speed. The lanes don't always match up, the road can have an uneven surface (due to the alternating loads they have to suffer), or containing hazards such as debris from an accident (which happen more often in intersections).

    It'll be nice to get photos of these bastards. I've already been in a collision with a someone who sailed through an intersection who just kept on going. He was rewarded for his high speed, and I was penalised with a wrecked car and *my* insurance had to pay for it.

    Speeding through intersections is dangerous, stupid, and inconsiderate. I'd like to see people who oppose this safety measure justify their postion to the parents of kids who were killed in accidents caused by this sort of behaiviour.

    Remember that traffic regulations say to not enter an intersection unless it's safe to do so. Whether the light is green or not.

    Seat belts were opposed once, but they did save lives. Red light camera improved obedience of traffic signals. Speed cameras around my area *have* improved general traffic behaiviour. Of course there will be idiots who disregard the rules, but they would be a menace regardless.

    I am happy to obey traffic lights and do the speed limit.

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    That's all fair enough, but can I ask one thing?

    Why bring kids into it?

    Always you get this ridiculous assertion that kids are worth more than adults! It simply isn't so... a life is a life, all of equal value...

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    Ray Bell:
    That's all fair enough, but can I ask one thing?

    Why bring kids into it?

    Always you get this ridiculous assertion that kids are worth more than adults! It simply isn't so... a life is a life, all of equal value...
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    Ray Bell:
    That's all fair enough, but can I ask one thing?

    Why bring kids into it?

    Always you get this ridiculous assertion that kids are worth more than adults! It simply isn't so... a life is a life, all of equal value...
    Did you not have parents?

    In the eyes of parents, they're always kids.

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    Yeah, I have parents, and I have kids and I have grandchildren...

    And I still think it's wrong to distinguish between children and adults in these situations... though I see what you're saying here.

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    Ray Bell:
    I fail to see your point about 'getting to speed over an intersection' when entering the intersection under the amber light.
    The the cameras that are going in, in melbourne take your photo if your speeding green or red or amber!

    I think that placing speed cameras at intersections negates the reason for having an amber. (ie To allow you some time to make up your mind and go or wait.) Also I have read that in America and more than likley in Aus too they deliberatly change the amber from four to three seconds and conveniently arrange for a cop car or one of those cameras to be on the other side to nab you for speeding and red light running.

    I have heard that people have "been had" for a red light. Took it to court and challenged the reason why the amber time was different and got off!

    QUOTE <strong>What im really trying to convey is this governments attempt to yet again mask revenue cameras as safety cameras.</strong>

    Yes should rename radar detectors accordingly. Officer "Is that a radar dector?"
    Citizen "Nope, it is a safety detector!"

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    <small>[ 22 September 2003, 03:29 PM: Message edited by: AlsPug504 ]</small>

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    [/qb]
    The the cameras that are going in, in melbourne take your photo if your speeding green or red or amber!
    [/QB][/QUOTE]

    The amber and green lights are *not* an invitation to increase your speed.

    If you can't make it through the amber without speeding up, then apply your brake and stop.

    This has been the rule from day one, the difference is that they are enforcing it a bit more vigourously now.

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    qvik:
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    The the cameras that are going in, in melbourne take your photo if your speeding green or red or amber!
    [/QB]
    The amber and green lights are *not* an invitation to increase your speed.

    If you can't make it through the amber without speeding up, then apply your brake and stop.
    [/QB][/QUOTE]

    Thats is fair enough. However, I am sure you would have had moments when stopping or going is a debate in your mind. My point being that it can be at that time when you are either over the line or speed!

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