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    Fellow Frogger! R17G's Avatar
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    Starting a new web site

    Has anyone had any experience? How much does it cost? Who can I talk to? Any help appreciated.

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    A couple of hours before I built this website:

    <a href="http://www.geocities.com/davemcbean/fiveohsindex.html?997061496590" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/davemcbean/fiveohsindex.html?997061496590</a>

    I had no idea how to build a website. I then found this free website service:

    <a href="http://geocities.yahoo.com/v/pb_done.html" target="_blank">http://geocities.yahoo.com/v/pb_done.html</a>

    ...which allowed me to build a website quickly with no prior knowledge. I highly recommend it.

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    What do you want it to do?

    I was given a quote of approx $16 000 for mine: <a href="http://www.rockaroundtheblock.com.au" target="_blank">http://www.rockaroundtheblock.com.au</a> The reason for that price is there's ~300 products, and as such an enormous amount of time was required to collate/photograph/enter data.

    I bought the software and did it myself.

    A simple "brochure" style page with no interactivity would be much cheaper obviously. For hosting, I'd recommend either WebCentral <a href="http://www.webcentral.com.au" target="_blank">http://www.webcentral.com.au</a> (who I use) or Aussiehosts <a href="http://www.aussiehosts.com" target="_blank">http://www.aussiehosts.com</a> who I also use.

    Of course you could use a package from DCSI who are generous enough to sponsor Aussiefrogs with free hosting. <a href="http://home.dcsi.net.au/products/hosting.asp" target="_blank">http://home.dcsi.net.au/products/hosting.asp</a>

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    Hi - a lot depends on the business that you're in - this will affect the sort of web site you need. Are you clicks-and-bricks or just clicks?

    Will a simple brochure site do? (That's the cheapest option). Or do you need email forms, database linked forms, password protected pages, search facilities, shopping cart, admin pages, contact database, forums etc etc.

    Do you need to be number one on Google to stay in business? (being number 11 won't cut it - you may as well not be there at all).

    Most sites can be built from code freely available on the net. But if you decide to outsource this make sure you own the finished product including the source code. Like any new venture be wary - lots of cowboys out there mallet

    If it all gets too daunting, I can build you a site and host it for you for 20 bucks a month.

    Hope this info helps. Cheers,

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    I run my own business setting up web pages, in apache, PHP, perl, and flat HTML.

    It really depends what you want from your site.. search functionality, templates, SSL (secure socket layer) ect.

    Let me know if you would like from your site, and I can give you some 'FREE' advice.
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    The other thing to remmember,
    once your site is built clicks don't happen by themselves.

    You have to advertise! Getting rankings in search engines can take ages. I fluked it, and got search engine rankings within 16 weeks...

    However search engine refferals only makes up 10% of my hits. Advertising does the rest.

    I tought myself, and update my website myself.
    I use dreamweaver...

    If you build a website yourself, 2 pieces of advice.

    1. keep it simple, and easy to navigate...

    2. If you use pictures, make sure they are small in kb size. IE a jpg that is 300kb takes ages to load, and a lot of surfers, will go " argh too long to load, i'll go somewhere else"...

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    Cant_get_enough_of_peugeots:
    1. keep it simple, and easy to navigate...

    2. If you use pictures, make sure they are small in kb size. IE a jpg that is 300kb takes ages to load, and a lot of surfers, will go " argh too long to load, i'll go somewhere else"...
    These are both great points Adrian.
    I have made sure my site is simple to navigate and I hope most people would agree. The point about images is very true. 25kb is almost too big! My images are all 4 or 5kb so load almost instantly even for dialup users.

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    R17G:
    Has anyone had any experience? How much does it cost? Who can I talk to? Any help appreciated.
    Tell us a bit more about what you want to do with it, R17.

    Otherwise it is a bit like asking someone how to "write something". Makes a big difference whether it is a one page flyer or the Encyclopaedia Brittanica!

    Its pretty easy to produce a basic site yourself in a couple of hours, either using appropriate software or one of the various web based hosting systems.

    At the other end of the spectrum, you can think about big dollars for a highly interactive , complex, site full of java and other wizz bangery.

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    if you are after some "gee wizz" I would be happy to do some work for you cheap.
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    vivid,

    can you give us some site links of your work?

    My company site needs an update, & a decent logo.
    Either way I'll get to it one day

    Dreamweaver 4.0 is what I use to create aussiefrogs site. Once you get the hang of it, it's pretty easy.
    Unfortunately my web skills are still in the dark ages & I can't justify the expensive TAFE courses to correct this gap in my experience...

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    Dave mentions Yahoo Geocities... and that's fair enough.

    Another site like that, but with advantages, is <a href="http://www.homestead.com" target="_blank">www.homestead.com</a>

    They do want you to buy space, but you can have 10 or 15megs for free. There are tools to let you build pages, put on counters, various backgrounds, all that stuff. You can upload photos, whatever you like.

    And better than Geocities, you can link pics to the forum, whereas Geocities don't allow that.

    Another one is <a href="http://www.angelfire.com," target="_blank">www.angelfire.com,</a> but I've never done anything with that except upload a couple of pics.

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    Has anyone had any experience? How much does it cost? Who can I talk to? Any help appreciated.
    Well you have to factor in 3 different costs.

    1: Cost of registering a domain. *.com.au costs $140 for 2 years, and needs to be renewed again every to years for the same cost. You need to have an ABN for one of these domains. The cost of a *.com (US) domain can vary from around $5 (US) per anum and up from there

    2: Hosting. I host many of my sites with TPG, they start at around $150-$200 (AUD) per anum for a basic package and can go up to $15,000 or more for high end e-commerce sites with loads of storage and email address's, etc... There are 1000's of hosts in australia, all vary in cost and quality, you need to shop aruond.

    3: The cost of the web designer or developer. Some charge by the hour ($25-$45) and others will just quote your particular job.

    The average web designer will cahrge for a really small basic site around $500 - $700 add to this some simple hosting and domain costs and your up front total cost of hosting/domain/development will be around $1,000
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    Wow, thanks guys I didn't imagine I would get so many replys. I guess I should explain further. It is actually for a friend who has started a professional photography business. She would like a site that allows customers to view their photos and order online.
    Thanks for the info and offers of help. I will pass it all on.
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    Of all the free server sites, which is the best? I am talking about Geocities, Freeservers, and all of the similar ones.
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    gibgib:
    vivid,

    can you give us some site links of your work?

    My company site needs an update, & a decent logo.
    Either way I'll get to it one day

    Dreamweaver 4.0 is what I use to create aussiefrogs site. Once you get the hang of it, it's pretty easy.
    Unfortunately my web skills are still in the dark ages & I can't justify the expensive TAFE courses to correct this gap in my experience...
    Hi gibgib,

    I haven't done much 'web' stuff too recently, mostly backends to databases on intranets, but I have a site I made for a mate a year ago.

    This was all coded in perl on a linux bsd shell.
    The Max Headroom graphic I pulled from a 1/2 hour video, and condensed him into a gif.

    <a href="http://members.iinet.net.au/~cdmusic/" target="_blank">http://members.iinet.net.au/~cdmusic/</a>

    just looked at it for the first time in a while, and noticed a few broken things in it, but I no longer have an admin logon to make any changes.

    Dont blame me for the ugly colours and fonts, just doing what he asked.
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