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    The worst cars I have worked on

    Hi all
    This topic should get the key boards humming especially after the response to the worse cars driven

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    Changing a steering rack in a Mini isn't alot of fun

    Otherwise they're not as bad to work on as reputation would suggest....
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    DTwo:
    Changing a steering rack in a Mini isn't alot of fun
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    Haven't tried that one, D2. How does it compare with removing a starter motor on a RHD DS?

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    Without a doubt, the absolute worst car I have worked on is my 505 STI. Greasy horrible engine with hoses going evrywhere, and you couldn't get to half the bolts.

    Thankfully the worst was over after it took 12 hours to remove the damn STI motor.

    It's been such a pleasure to work on since putting the XN1 engine in. It's gone from being the worst car to work on, to the easiest.

    The Escort I had was a bastard to work on mainly because you had to jack it up everytime you wanted to get under the thing, even under the front. Thank goodness Pugs are a little higher off the ground.

    The Corolla my parents had was a bit of a bastard when changing the starter motor, because you had to get under the car and thread the starter motor around the exhaust system and a few other things, then try and get the cables on, etc. However the 505 STI starter motor makes that look easy.

    It's always nice to have a starter motor which you can reach with your hands from the top of the engine bay, while in clean clothes, because otherwise minor breakdowns can become causes of major delays.

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    Oh, I forgot about the 604 I bought and stripped.

    I couldn't get to the damn bolts which held the engine to the transmission until I undid the transmission from the tailshaft and slid the whole lot forward.

    Stripping that 604 really turned me off V6 conversions in 504 engine bays.

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    Rod Hagen:
    DTwo:
    Changing a steering rack in a Mini isn't alot of fun
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    Haven't tried that one, D2. How does it compare with removing a starter motor on a RHD DS?

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    Starter motor?, DSs have starter motors?, i've never seen one amungst the mess which is the DS engine bay

    Not sure, do you have to unbolt a subframe (and unbolt anything else that restricts movement, ie exhaust) , lower the engine and gearbox to get it out?
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    You guys are funny,

    nothing compares to a DS21 or DS2300 EFI pallas, especialy if fitted with a Hydraulic gearbox & air-con. Find the starter??? Try find the MOTOR eek! eek! roll_lau roll_lau

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    You guys are funny,

    nothing compares to a DS21 or DS2300 EFI pallas, especialy if fitted with a Hydraulic gearbox & air-con. Find the starter??? Try find the MOTOR eek! eek! roll_lau roll_lau

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    LOL....

    Admittedly the last DS I had a good poke around under the bonnet of was an airconditioned 5spd DS23 Pallas it wasn't EFI though.

    I have seen the EFI DSs, it's a bit of a mess....

    The hood leading to the radiator has always been a crack up for me wink
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    Dammmmmmm, diff in GT alfa, or setup of triples on a 202 torana. Also exhaust headers on any modern FWD pug!>>>.. mallet
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    davemcbean:
    Oh, I forgot about the 604 I bought and stripped.

    I couldn't get to the damn bolts which held the engine to the transmission until I undid the transmission from the tailshaft and slid the whole lot forward.

    Stripping that 604 really turned me off V6 conversions in 504 engine bays.

    Dave
    always a lot easier and quicker in the long run to drop the cross member down a couple of inches
    you learn this trick after the first time
    try getting the alternator out of a 604
    that is about the most pain the rear job i have ever found on a 604
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    1 x '98 306 GTi6

    1 x secret project

    1 x '98 406 STDT troop carrier and i don't care if it stinks, i don't sniff it's arse Death by wank tank

    1 x '99 406SV 5spd wagon, time to burn more fuel

    1 x 1994 605 SV3.0


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    Ah, the starter in the 604...

    Actually, Dave, I took the engine out without undoing the box, I'm sure... maybe I have skinnier spanners!

    The 203 bellhousing bolts were fun too, the top ones, and I remember one night lying in the gutter with rainwater running through my clothing as I struggled to put a box in one... parking over the gutter, of course, gave me room to get it in and out without ramps.

    I'll have to think about this... but I'm sure I can come up with some fairly difficult jobs.

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    DTwo:
    Changing a steering rack in a Mini isn't alot of fun
    ...or that tiny water pump bypass hose on a Mini, that looks oh-so-easy...until you have to take the head off...

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    Ray Bell:
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    The 203 bellhousing bolts were fun too, the top ones, and I remember one night lying in the gutter with rainwater running through my clothing as I struggled to put a box in one... parking over the gutter, of course, gave me room to get it in and out without ramps.
    Somehow, that description sounds very, very familiar Ray! Mind you, undoing the torque tube to gear box allen keyed bolts without the proper tool could be just as much fun in the 403! Then there was the joy of getting the clutch plate aligned well enough without an old gearbox shaft to hand , and the engine and gear box angled appropriately, to let the sump clear the front crossmember on the 403 when working on the roadside . That could be very entertaining too! Funny how it always seemed to be raining for me too.

    Mind you, I do remember once taking the best part of a day simply replacing a radiator on a Rover 75.

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    As I have only worked on Renaults. It would have to be the R25 steering rack. About 12 hours to remove and refit - and many choice words!!

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    Here's another 2 cents... anything to do with an Austin A40 Somerset, starter motors and manifold work on R16's, the rear torsion bar bushes on R4's, anything to do with roll pins, pulling motors out of R12's and working on the underdash part of the brake control mechanism on a Lada Samara...(three toed Ukranian midgets need only apply)

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    I remember working on the old Renault 5's with the muffler under the front guard, they were a bit of a drag. Old rusty Renault's werent the best cars to work on to say the least- R5, R6, R14 (but i do miss working on these cars now!)

    My dad used to curse any citroen that used to rock up for any repairs or service.

    I remember the first time we put a citroen on the hoist without lowering it first....we couldnt remove the hoist arms from underneath !! I had to squeeze past the hoist tower into the car and raise the thing

    Its sad that you cant take your Citroen (even renault) to be serviced/repaired anywhere here in Australia....they require "specialist garages"

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    Ah... now it comes back to me...

    with the gas struts pushing the tailgate off, one of those beloved roll pins having sheared off on the 504. Then to get the other roll pin out... using a chain saw file etc... the proper tool wouldn't do it...

    Yeah, that was fun, but then so was changing the engine in a Jowett Javelin... of course, I was later told that they went down the assembly line upside down.

    Not that I ever did it, I'm told that changing a generator in a twin cam MG A is a lot of fun, includes removing the head! And if you pull the engine out, you have to remove the sump and sit it in place before you can put it back in... it simply won't go in if you don't...

    And then there was the Freeway... I took four days to change the front suspension, engine and gearbox in a Freeway, which I converted from auto to manual... then when that was done I spent another three hours in my dirty gear changing a 404 engine... nice and easy by comparison.

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    [QB]Ah, the starter in the 604...

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    starter motors in 604's are easy
    first remove the front wheel
    then drop exhaust off at the flange
    after that plain sailing
    setting up a water pump on a triumph dolomite sprint can be fun (not)
    anyone who has tried this and knows what they are like will understand
    clever design but.............
    3 x '78 604 SL

    1 x '98 306 GTi6

    1 x secret project

    1 x '98 406 STDT troop carrier and i don't care if it stinks, i don't sniff it's arse Death by wank tank

    1 x '99 406SV 5spd wagon, time to burn more fuel

    1 x 1994 605 SV3.0


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    Popping Carbies off is easy, but try to get them off a Giulia Super when some moron before me rounded the threads on the carby/head bolts. Tailshaft donuts in a rear transaxle Alfa is less than fun too, without a hoist.
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    R16TS Exhaust Manifold to engine pipe joint clamp...
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    pugrambo:

    setting up a water pump on a triumph dolomite sprint can be fun (not)
    anyone who has tried this and knows what they are like will understand
    clever design but.............
    Yeah Saab 99s are the same.

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    Probably the most diffiult job which I've had on a 504 is undoing the nut on top of the strut, if the strut shaft has a flat screw driver slot and if the nyloc in the nut is very tight (can be particularly bad if you use Gabriel inserts).

    The solution I've found is to burn out the nyloc with the oxy (taking care not to burn the rubber at the top of the strut -not easy).

    I now burn the nyloc out on new nuts before I assemble them and use loctite instead. I also use the Aliquant strut inserts which have an Allen key hex in the top. This makes the job so much easier to disassemble next time.

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    For that job I have a large screwdrive that fits through the appropriate half inch drive socket... and I've ground flats on the top end of the socket so I can use a 21mm open ender.

    Of course, I could use the allen key, if it were needed, in the same way. But doesn't the Loctite make it as hard to turn as the Nyloc nuts?

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    loctite is neutralized by heat
    so in using loctite on anything (and i have used a lot of loctite products on many things) if you need to remove an item that has been loctited you simply apply a little heat to the area and the loctite reverts back and the part comes free
    i have even used loctite "quick metal" on a sigma gear lever nylon nut that holds the lever into the box
    it never fell out again but it was a good trick when looking at the car for a friend from a dealer and the lever sorta came out of the box
    we ended up getting a $5000 car for $3000
    3 x '78 604 SL

    1 x '98 306 GTi6

    1 x secret project

    1 x '98 406 STDT troop carrier and i don't care if it stinks, i don't sniff it's arse Death by wank tank

    1 x '99 406SV 5spd wagon, time to burn more fuel

    1 x 1994 605 SV3.0


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    Doing performance testing in mid summer on a VB commordore. The engine gets way to hot to work on. Thats assuming you actually get close enough to the under bonnet.

    The worst I have driven was a VC commodore which had a very wild cam and was capable of more than 300hp. Had dodgey rear suspension.
    I had to back off the accelerator as it accelerated or the tires would disintegrate in less than its 1/4 time! driving in the wet was terriffing as you could not judge as to when the cam would come on. So you be mid way thru a corner and suddenly the wheels would light up with the car wanting to swap ends. worse still was when the nabbers were next to you at the lights because it would light up or churp thru the gears! even if you were being good. Which for me is farly rare.

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