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    I've test driven a handful of cars and seen the different styles of various dealers.

    One of the worst would be at a Renault dealer, who gave a paltry 15 minute drive along a predetermined route, and would not allow any deviation from that route and would not take any suggestions either. During this period, he kept the radio on for no apparent reason, and lectured when the revs went over 4500 (with a very warm engine). At the same time, I was being told about how Continental was a cheap offshoot owned by Michelin, and it's silly to have disc brakes on the rear, because 96% of braking is on the front wheels!!! Generally I coudln't stand this contemptious attitude.

    They do actually plan their routes - he said that the Nissan Pulsar does a different route, because it doesn't cope as well with bumps.

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    At the other extreme, I've just been offered a car for the next few days. When I suggested I'd take it overnight, they said "you won't really get to enjoy the car enough overnight".

    Naturally I prefer it without the salesman onboard, unless I'm unfamiliar with the area. But I prefer it when they don't try to overrule everything you do, constantly butt in during your drive, and offer no flexibility. When possible, you'd like to drive the car on similar circumstances to what you'd do in day to day driving.

    Just wondering, what do you think is the norm out there? For instance, do you find most dealers accompany you in the car? In my experience, the majority still follow you (and some dictate you).

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    Recently I've been left on my own. Here's my recent experience:

    - Peuegot 307 1.6, 2.0 and HDI - A&J - left to own devices
    - Peugeot 306 GTI 6 - British and Continental - left to own devices
    - Peugeot 306 XSi - Hornsby Nissan - left to own
    - Nissan Pulsar 1.8 Q Hatch - Hornsby Nissan - left to own
    - Peugeot 206 GTI and 306 GTi-6 - Pymble Automobile - left to own
    - Citroen Xsara Coupe 1.6 - Rick Damelian - left to own
    - Ford Cougar Manual - Brad Garlick - accompanied, and set route. But set route was fine.
    - VW Golf GTI - Trivett Arncliffe - left to own
    - VW Golf GLE - Trivett Arncliffe - accompanied, with BRAND new off the floor model. Didn't mind me giving it, but the car didn't like it, with only 10kms on it. I know, I'm mean :p
    - Peugeot 306 GTi-6 - Randwick Peugeot - accompanied onset route, and advised to gun it and take it over 4000rpm, made me fall in love with the car. Did a great job, but became a Renault dealer by the time it came to buying one.
    - Renault Scenic - Hornsby Renault - left to own.
    - Alfa 147 - Newcastle Alfa - left to own on a drive day
    - Alfa 147 - Alfa Crows Nest - left to own
    - Alfa Spider V6 - Alfa Crows Nest - left to own
    - Subaru Impreza 2.0 Manual - Tom Kerr Subaru - accompanied on set route. No complaints, salesman is HIGHLY recommended for those interested in a Sube. Was a rare sight getting such friendly and attentive service. Had no problem with me giving it a bit through some corners. Only advise was that the 2.5 RS should be even more settled.

    This doesn't count the number of times I've walked out of a dealer frustrated from a lack of service and left. West End Mazda is a key example of poor service when it comes to test driving. I am yet to drive an MX5, but will do one day... Most Ford dealers fall into this boat, trying to get a test drive out of them is like pulling teeth. So I hire my Falcons from Hertz to see what they're like
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    Justin,
    Seems to depend on the dealer, and maybe how well you know them, I did test drive a Scenic 4x4 from our local Nissan dealer and they were quite happy to let me take it out without the need for a salesperson. The vehicle supplied though was in disgusting condition and the whole experience with Nissan put me off in a big way.

    If I were in the market for new or second hand Cit from our local guys I would be surprised if I could not get a vehicle for a weekend, as long I gave them notice.

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    When I test drove the xsara the salesman jumped in with me, he suggested a route which had both 100k freeway and hilly bendy bits which I was happy to follow. approx 20 klm. he made no comment about my driving, apart from a couple of corners where I turned on the wipers instead. He did generally talk up the car as we drove, but really it spoke for itself. Thats why I bought it!!

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    Yeah, it does depend on the dealer.

    It just seems to me, the salesman following you is so "old school".

    GTI124, that's a good list. I've come across a good Ford dealer. Even though the salesman came along, he was very friendly, was willing to chat when you wanted, and had no problem with me doing a few handling tests on the car (I found a very big empty carpark and some good quality roundabouts with brilliant visibility). He obviously had faith in the product - and his faith wasn't tarnished. If you didn't want to chat, he'd just mind his own business, if you wanted to modify the route to see the car on the freeway, a few twisty bits - "no problem!".

    Pity the Focus was so gutless.

    What I've generally noticed is that the prestige marques do a far better job. The standard dealers (eg. Fords, Holdens, Nissans, Toyotas, etc) seem to have this attitude "you're just a mass produced customer, you're nothing special" - people buy cars from us all the time anyway. The standard marques seem to treat you with less respect, and I hate being lied to.

    The way the dealer treats you at the test drive stage, I've found, augurs well for the aftersales experience too.

    I'm still impressed with a certain dealer that offered a car for a few days to take up to the snow. Then again, there are many impressive things about that dealer No wonder they do so well.

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    Couldn't agree more about the "old school" thing.

    I tested a Mondeo at City Ford at Mascot and he accompanied us, but the route was good. I find myself withthe "newbies" a fair bit though.

    Justin, not going to name names? I think the good dealers deserve a comment. Up to you if you want to bag anyone, it's only your experience. I personally don't like any dealer that is owned by the "T".

    Yes the brand names have a lot of work to do, there's an interesting story on <a href="http://www.drive.com.au" target="_blank">www.drive.com.au</a> on a journo that is now a car saleman.
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    Oh, and what Focus did you test drive? Model and designation please

    I'm still keen on the ST170, can't wait to give it a good old hardy flogging.

    The Focus deserve to do well, but I'll wait to see if Ford can sell it in significant volumes, just appears Ford has no idea how to sell to customers.
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    Ahh, I'll name the dealer - Bilia.

    The only thing is, I have to tread carefully during this period whilst the non-Froggy situation is up in the air

    They sell cars that start with a V and finish with an o

    If you can sell 20% of the national total, you must be doing something right, and it's got nothing to do with price I'm sure. Years ago, I remember being totally surprised when noone came along for the test drive. If you wanted to try other variants, you just swapped the keys. I don't know of any dealer that will lend you accessories for your weekend trips (eg. bike carriers, roof bins, ski racks, etc), give you a car in an emergency, provide remote unlocking of your car in an emergency, personal duress alarm, etc.

    One of the most professional dealers I've come across, and a model for customer service.

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    I took a 1.8 LX, as there wasn't anything fruitier available at the time.

    Although it had 85kW and was lighter than a 307, it had the most useless 85kW I've ever come across in my life. A friend thought it was dull throttle response, but when you floor the pedal, and it's still the same after 3 seconds, it's just a useless engine. Although it was a manual, it felt like an auto with the handbrake on.

    Otherwise, it handled nicely and was roomy. Perhaps it was a little noisy.

    It's really the only car that reminds me of the 306 on the road.

    It should sell, but I think it'll play second fiddle to the Astra for a while. Mr John and Jane Vanilla Citizen notice a smooth and more powerful engine, more than good handling. In that department the Astra's competent to start off with anyway. If you don't really push it (like most people), you probably won't notice the benefits of the Focus apart from the extra space - especially in the rear.

    I still wonder how the UK press never seems to criticise the Focus about its standard engines - they're terrible, something which the Aussie press has caught onto. Why they don't replace the Zetecs with the Duratecs in the Mondeo is beyond me.

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    Well Focus and 307 deserve to do well, means that we're moving away from big, inefficient cars, which is good.

    My comment on Ford was more that they tend to sell most of their 20% through fleet sales, which is a much different sales technique to consumer selling. Falcons pretty much sell themselves, but Focus needs selling and better advertising.

    Yes, my parents had an Iced Vovo as well from Concourse Vovo in Haberfield, they were the same, the service manager would give you his own car for the day. I've never seen this kind of service outside of Vovo, must be a swedish thing.

    My feeling from the service at Pymble Automobiles is that they would be quite committed to you as well, but not sure if that happens in practise.
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    I was talking to a Ford dealer at a car rally the other day as he was using a Focus a zero car, and he said that they found that the early cars and all the car mag test cars were down on power by about 10Kw this had now been fixed and they go a lot better.

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    The UK Press don't bag anything local. But I just think when you're driving disels at 1 litres so often, a 1.8 85kw is a monster in comparison, and worthy of praise. Kinda like when you haven't eaten for 48 hours a cracker would taste the best.
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    Interesting, maybe I'll have to go back.

    A friend said it also could be a very heavy flywheel, as that could explain the dull throttle, and tendency of the car to hold its revs whilst changing gears - they don't die quickly enough. The 307 manual I drove did this a little, but not as much - I blamed the throttle by wire system at the time.

    It's not a bad car, but I can see why it hasn't received the same accolades it gets back home.

    I think Ford's been marketing the Focus, it's not hard to find an ad outside, in a magazine, etc. But it seems the dealers aren't doing much on their part. I also notice that the Focus was initially being priced at $22k, but they forgot to mention that A/C was a delete option, so you could pick one up for $20k + ORC. They need to position it competitively against the Astra, but they're probably putting the bulk of their marketing efforts into the Falcon at the moment.

    I heard Falcon scared away the fleet buyers with its resale a few years back, don't know how the BA is doing with them now. I'm starting to see more of them now.

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    Having sold cars for a long time I would generally let people test-drive by themselves, except if it was an Alfa selespeed where most people would make such a dogs breakfast of driving the car you would have to show them how to drive one properly.
    We would find that most people that bought cars would probably drive one or two other cars at most. Not always, but usually. Whilst there are a lot of pigs and nuf-nufs out there selling cars, the degree of professionalism and empathy a salesman has with customers these days is a lot higher than the old days where coercion was king. I'm talking about European cars more here I guess. Not that I am defending other salesmen.
    People generally know what they want by the time they come into a showroom. Not knowing however should'nt preclude good service. But nothing irritates a salesman more than an archetypal test-pilot wanting a drive when he knows a sale aint gonna happen. No-one likes to be used. After all, salesmen are paid essentially on commission, are pressured by bosses who will go through a salesmans drive book daily and quiz the salesman to the effect of "How do we sell this guy a car?" Or "why did you give this guy a drive if he isn't going to buy?"
    Usually a salesman can sniff who is a genuine NOW (or later)buyer, and serving the customers perceived to be genuine customers first is the main priority. As the customer himself would expect. Maybe with you GTI124, with at least 18 test drives under your belt, there's seems to be no mystery why sometimes you got bad service. If I mis-understand your motives I'm sorry, but thinking of this situation just on the numbers of drives it sounds like you have spent a bit of time joy-riding (viz 307 Hdi vs Alfa 3.0 Spider). If that's the case, and I don't know, how can you expect the salesmen to keep bending over for you. Re-iterating, there are a lot of dickheads selling cars, but there needs to be consideration shown by BOTH sides in this matter. I've tried hard to be courteous over the years and have been used sometimes something shocking, so I have little time for users anymore.
    I know of five people in Melbourne (one is a barrister, another a female teacher)who I have discovered visit as many as 10 different dealerships on a weekly basis often wanting to drive cars, but always wanting to talk cars while pretending that they want to buy. They always talk about buying. They must have bought 4 or 5 cars between them over 10 years. Very strange behaviour. And ultimately deceitful.
    I don't lie. Why bother, life's too short;no need. In a sales situation I hate being lied to and expect the truth and courtesy in return. Both parties will be happier that way.
    I remember one guy coming in one day who said "I'm not gonna bulls*t you, I can't afford one of these cars and probably never will. But I love these cars, can I drive one?" There's no way you could turn that down.
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    No, the 307's staying here for a little while - it's under warranty anyway, which is the important thing.

    The Focus test drive was just to see what all the fuss was about.

    We get two cars over the next few days, one's a service loan vehicle (a surprise), and we've been offered an S60 over the weekend.

    I always look forward to sending the Volvo to service, means you can have something interesting for the day. Once we got a car with 17km on the clock.

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    Warwick,

    Maybe I should've included some dates, but this was over a singificant period of time and they all resulted in purchases within that period of time. So I'm not a compulsive test driver, these were all in the aim of meeting my needs at the time.

    Throughout this time, I kept denying my true love a 306 GTi6, even though I drove it a number of times. I have complex needs a buyer, as I cycle and need the room for a bike, and enjoy the practicality of certain cars. For example, I test drove the A class A160, A190 and Lorinser modified A190, before I finally ruled it off my list. The Merc guys knew that I wasn't 100% about the car, but I was giving it a decent amount of consideration. They met me after hours, and offered me cars for the weekend to see if I could live with it day in and day out. The brain wanted that car, no doubt, as it was safe, and very practical. The heart wanted a 306 GTi6, and the compromise was a Golf GTI, which was a mistake.

    A few years after that mistake, we considered the following:
    307s (not sure if I need to justify why the HDI was in there, but it had decent comments in the press, and I wanted to know if I could live with less power but moe torque),
    various 306s (in a used market, you have no choice but to look at a few examples of the car. The XSi was never a consideration, but when we found a very good example of one, we wanted to know how it's performance measured against the GTI-6. We returned to buy it a few weeks later but it already been sold),
    the Pulsar, Xsara, Cougar, Scenic, Subaru Impreza, Alfa 147 and Spyder (I was actually interested in the GTV, but he didn't have one so insisted I drove the Spyder) as a replacement for the Golf GTI.

    Yes they are all very different cars, but I was still deciding what I wanted out of my next car. So why judge a consumer on how they make up their minds??? The decision is always complex, and I hate how Saleman think that buying a car is a SIMPLE task, IT IS NOT! If a Salesman is going to judge me on first looks, then they can go jump, I'll take my business elsewhere, and have done.

    I eventually found a good condition 2000 306 GTI6 on the private market and bought it.
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    oops, double post

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    And now that I've more time to brew over the comments made, can I just add that if there is a section of the buying public that takes their time in making a purchase, since when does this behaviour make it OK to ignore the customer? If all customers "USE" salesman, then surely that behaviour is expected. So therefore, you should deal with it appropriately, and this does not mean ignoring the customer, as the customer willk EVENTUALLY buy something. Treat them badly now and you'll lose them forever.

    Do you honestly think that bad salesman behaviour will change the behaviour of the buying public? Hell No! I'm in a services industry too, and know too well that there is no way you can change the way the public deal with you. You just need to deal with their behaviour. It is those companies/salemen that do this well that will do well.

    There are exceptions to the rule, like your example of the couple that appear to tyre kick all over Melbourne. But one of the keys to customer service is to not treat the minority like the majority. There is no excuse for apathy in customer service.

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    Ignoring customers, for whatever reason is pathetic and wrong. Plain stupid. I guess it's a result of laziness and poor communication skills on behalf of the salesman. In the service industry you've just gotta face up to dealing with all sorts of people, and not run away from them. I can imagine just how hard it is to enter a car dealership without knowing what you want, but just that you want to buy something, and having to deal with all the crap you do. That's where a car salesman can act professionally or not. In a business with as little perceived integrity as the car biz, some car salesmen like to pride themselves on their own integrity and professionalism. And some don't care.
    And there aren't many customers that USE salesmen. I'm not saying that, I just hate it when it happens. Let's face it the bad reputations of car salesmen has been well-earned over a long time. When I was selling cars sometimes I would rub my hands with glee when I heard customers tell me of the terrible service some salesman has given them. But I say this from a selfish point of view. Because if I do things the right way it's more likely business will come to me. The upshot is, though, if the sales guy up the road acts like a dickhead, one way or other customers trust of me is harder to earn.
    My point is insubstantial, but personal. I always tried to treat people with respect. I just like to see the respect run both ways.
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    Well, although I would love for a salesman to tell me something about a car that I don't already know, this is rarely the case. (and I really don't like having to pretend I'm stupid just to appease as salesman that has less knowledge than a car journo...some marques like Mercedes are an exception). If the car manufacturers had better websites or had better brochures, like the press packs that the journos get, then I think the information hungry of us would be quite happy and have no need at all for the salesman, except to have a test drive. Appears there's a bit of a conflict between the distributor/manufacturer encouraging test drives, and the dealers who hate doing it.

    Unlike Justin though, I've actually rarely had Salesman try and sell me lies. The Sube dealer that I was happy with called me a number of times, followed it up with letters to thank me for MY time. That's awesome. Anyway, when I told him that I found a 306 GTi-6, he praised my purchase and agreed it was a great car, dynamically speaking. He knew that a major problem with the Impreza RS was that it ws a sedan and with no split fold rear seat, my purchase would be compromised, just like my Golf was. Anyway, it's rare.

    The industry has to take a look at itself if brokers continue to gain popularity. In Europe they've just made it illegal for exclusivity between manufacturers and dealers. If a Joe Blow dealer meets the minimum criteria for a dealership in Europe, the manufacturer MUST allow them to sell their cars. So greater competition should result in better service over there. If that happens here, I think that would be a great thing...has to happen with tyres too I think some of the great apathy that some brands have for their customers has to do with the consumer's lack of choice.

    Eg, nearly all Pug dealers in Sydney are owned by Trivett. All VW dealers in Sydney are owned by Inchcape. All Toyota and Ford (maybe Holden) dealers have equal apathy, so is just as bad as being owned by one company! If you break this exclusivity up, things will change, and change for the better.

    For me, I'll seriously consider a broker for my next purchase once I decide what I want. Especially if it's French as it'll be serviced by Paul Vasallo, so who cares about the dealer?

    My 2 francs Hope we haven't been too OT here. There is some frenchness here somewhere, I ended up in a French car, so it's all good.
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    I'd say that most salespeople don't lie to you too much - only a minority do on product matters, and I have no respect for that. Of course there are times when they like to twist your expectations (eg. how much your car is worth, etc). Generally, the higher the quality of the marque (this is subjective - ie. I'm referring to the non Nissans, Fords, Holdens, etc) the better the treatment. I've dealt with some great people selling Holdens for instance.

    I think it's very important to treat all customers with some respect. Granted personal biases, etc affect how well this is done, but it may well be worth it in the long run. Often young people are treated with some form of suspicion, or even sheer contempt - what they forget is, young people become old some day, and if you can engender some form of loyalty now - you'll get repeat business.

    Oh yeah, the loan car was beautiful. Somehow, I just find an S60 AWD a little more satisfying than a 206 1.4 XR It's worth 3 of them though. I love turbos now - power when you need it, and fuel economy!

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    yes, young people became old one day, but why does a salesman care about that? They'll be gone that day. Some of my test drives have been on Motor Show, or launch drive days. This is a good time to just have a look, as the manufacturer supprots the dealer in these promotions. On the Toyota MR2 trck day I did, this was run by Toyota with no dealer involvement. It also cost me some $$ to do it

    You like the Vovo, aye? hmmm...and turbos? hmmm...was it an auto? Anyway, I'm sticking to N/A as much as I can
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    Twas an auto, but a good one. Five speed, silky smooth, and not a bozo either.

    The manuals are a lot snappier (ie. a manual 2.4 20V/125kW NA is similar to an auto 2.4T/147kW), but they're not particularly popular. In any case, the car isn't slow, so in an auto you won't be complaining.

    The beauty about the low pressure turbos is that at cruise speeds, they sip fuel like the small capacity engine they are. But whenever you ask for the power, it's always there - super flat torque curve from 1800 to 5000 rpm, one of the most useable engines out there. Basically the turbo allows the engine to "grow" and "shrink" in capacity as your power demands require.

    2.4T is one of my favourite engines, good accessible performance, not a guzzler, quiet when you want it to be, yet has personality if you push it. If there's a downer, the turbo is a little too silent for a sporty orientated vehicle.

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    My Golf GTI was a low blow turbo...not a fan, I'm afraid. Falling off boost, even the slightest between shifts is annoying, and the occasional bog of the mark annoyed me. The Golf had a very similar torque curve, something like 1800 to 4800 at 210Nm. N/A is instant...hence why I was looking at Subaru Impreza RS 2.5, rather than WRX.
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