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    And they reckon Froggy parts are hard to get.

    Had a call from a friend last night, whose daughter had a front ender in her '72 LJ Torana.
    Asked if I could ring a couple of wreckers & get a price for a front drivers guard and a nose cone.
    What a bloody assignment this has turned out to be. Nobody but nobody seems to know where one can be found. It's not the age or anything like that apparently, but it seems that of late there has been a resurgence of interest in the old XU1 Toranas and the "boys" have all of a sudden started to dig out all the old bashed up thrashed and rusted ones sitting in peoples garages and wrecking yards and started on restoration jobs and in the process, have grabbed every front end of ever LJ they can find. One Holden specialist wrecker told me that he has just sent a container full of panels, particularly front end stuff (they didn't have all that good a reputation for stopping too well) to Brisbane and another to Townsville, so if anyone knows of anyone with an LJ with a fairly intact front section, drop me a line would you? The car it's for apparently was a one owner 90,000 mint car and she took the car & cash from the insurance.
    It's hard to believe but she was hit within a minute from home by an old dear in a Corolla who went through a give way sign...on her left. But she still managed to stuff the RH guard; must have had sharp reflexes.

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    I guess they were good cars in their day. whistle

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    they weren't too bad after you got used to the steering wheel bieng in the middle of the car and not in front of the driver
    which was accentuated more if the owner had replaced the standard wheel with something that really belonged on a kids tricycle
    but they went pretty well
    nearly as good as a well sorted 504 TI
    actually an LJ and a 504 TI are a pretty good match for each other

    anyway have you tried rare spares ???
    maybe a call to the LJ car club might come up with something
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    What a bloody assignment this has turned out to be. Nobody but nobody seems to know where one can be found
    In the mid to late 1960's I had a run of cars that everyone said were hard to get parts for My first car was a 1950 citroen_ L15 (I had a few) then I got into Bristol 400s. I could always get parts for these, even though I had to get some exotic stuff sent out from UK. or Fr.

    When I sold up everything to go to UK to buy my dream car - AC Greyhound (and to avoid being conscripted!), I bought a cheap Holden FJ ute to run about in until I left. Front-end needed doing & I couldnt find FJ front-end stuff anywhere as it had all been used up.

    Point is that when you can't get parts for Austalian cars in Australia there's nowhere else in the world to source them from.

    The WWW has made it so easy to get Froggy & Pommy stuff, so now its the Torana's turn to be hard to get parts for (Jeez wasn't that XU1 an unstable little death-trap, an early version of the WRX!)
    For example where will you get Valiant Charger panels when there's none left in Australia?
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    [quote]604 tragic:
    Jeez wasn't that XU1 an unstable little death-trap, an early version of the WRX!
    i would rather drive an XU1 than drive the ford capri of the sameish era
    the XU1 was more stable on the road than the V6 capri
    have done a few miles in each
    i actually like the V6 capri and was offered one for $0 a few years ago drive away no more to pay
    the bloke that had the car had just decided that an TR7 was the car to have and was trying to fit a sprint engine into it after i told him the exhaust manifold won't fit
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    Friend of mine has a mint LJ XU1 only its had a few guises over its nearly 30 years. Currently it has a stroker 383cui in it but at its most powerful it had a twin turboed 308, apparently it spun the wheels on the dyno but was estimated at 750+ hp by the dyno boys It is a real sleeper with the only give away of the bent eight is the pair of exhaust pipes 2.5" not coffee cans one on each side of the car.
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    How'd the Torana handle with the bent 8 in it? My brother inlaw had a beautiful LC (awesome car evil )but resisted the urge to put a V8 in it because he was told it would stuff up the handling!
    So what did he do? He bought a Toyota Hilux 4x4 and stuffed a V8 in that! I suppose he figured that he could'nt stuff up the handling of that barge!
    As for spare parts, we recently took a truck load to the tip!.....sorry! mallet
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    toranas don't handle with the V8 in them that's the thing
    the wheelbase is too short for a V8
    they were a pretty good package with either the 2.8 or 3.3 6's in them
    i had a mate that had a stroked engine in his
    it was a 202 stroked out to 208
    common thing to be done
    it went well but no where near as well i thought as the 186 that was in it before hand
    the 186 seemed to be a well suited engine with a little bit of work for the torana's
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    pugrambo:

    i had a mate that had a stroked engine in his
    it was a 202 stroked out to 208
    common thing to be done
    it went well but no where near as well i thought as the 186 that was in it before hand
    the 186 seemed to be a well suited engine with a little bit of work for the torana's
    Many Holden fans rekon the 186 is a better motor than the 202. Not as much low down grunt as the 202 but breaths better, revs more freely and is smoother.
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    The notion that Froggy parts are hard to get compared with local or Japanese cars of the same era just doesn't stand up to any common sense analysis. It is one of the crazzyest myths of the automotive world.

    There were far more 404's, 504's, 505's, R16's, R12's, R20's, DS's, GS's, CX's, 2CV's etc produced and sold than any local car and most Japanese cars. So it stands to reason that there would be a much bigger parts pool. And there is more incentive for parts suppliers to continue to do the occasional production run for commonly required parts for old French cars as there are still so many on the roads around the World. The exact opposite is the case for most Australian cars. It really is a global village that we live in, Australia is not a desert island cut off from the rest of world as some seem to believe. I have to contend with this nonsense from friends and aquaintances every time my Pug or Renault is mentioned - sort of a concerned look on their faces as they ask "don't you have trouble finding parts?" "aren't parts expensive?" So far I have never had trouble getting parts in over 10 years of ownership of Renault 16's and now a 504, as my daily drivers. What's more, with very few exceptions, the prices have been reasonable and occasionally surprisingly cheap. The biggest parts prices shocks I've ever had with any car I've owned were for a locally built Mitsubishi Magna, which I owned for a short few months until the shoddy engineering came to a climax.
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    i think the reason the average joe thinks frog parts are hard to get is because you can't just go to any wrecker to get any parts for them
    my answer to this theory is you don't need access to as many parts for a frog car as you do the aussie/jap cars
    take the 70's era holdens
    every year you see a mad dash from the owners of these cars to fix up the fronts ends in their cars to enable them to pass rego
    i can't remember the last time i had to replace a swag of bushes just to pass rego in a pug
    just replace them when needed and thats about it, they generally last a lot longer than 12months
    but holdens and fords but more so holdens are an aussie icon and those that own them swear by them much the same as we swear by our froggy machines
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    I remember doing an engine rebuild on a FC with the original grey motor - couldnt find half the engine parts with out a major hunt, with pistons unavailable completly. Would have had to have toyota pistons or something modified - Holdens are simply too rare (on a global scale and sheer numbers made they are a rare breed)to get parts easily for older ones.
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    Ooooh, I'm gonna get in here...

    OK, so the Renault dealer has called and advised that he CAN'T get me a RHF guard for my R12, despite previous promises. Caravelle don't have any, and won't for months.

    Can anyone help?

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    Stuey:
    Ooooh, I'm gonna get in here...

    OK, so the Renault dealer has called and advised that he CAN'T get me a RHF guard for my R12, despite previous promises. Caravelle don't have any, and won't for months.

    Can anyone help?

    Stuey
    The local Reno wrecker? Or what about Picka apart? Or wait until Carrevelle get them.
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    The local wrecker only has one with a hole the size of a tennis ball in it...this'd be fine for nothing as my FIL is a good panel beater and could form the new metal no sweat, but it's not free...

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    Stuey

    i could chack my local wrecker here as he is a renault freak as well but the thing is getting from the sunrise coast to the sunset coast
    would cost more than what the panel is worth maybe

    BTW he used to use renault engines for speedway work
    he fell in love with the idea of the wet sleeve engines and how well they can rev
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    pugrambo:
    Stuey

    BTW he used to use renault engines for speedway work
    he fell in love with the idea of the wet sleeve engines and how well they can rev
    Wet sleeve motors rule!!! head_ban
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    Try Renauli here in Toongabbie, Sydney, Stuey. I got 2 new front guards for my R12 last year. I was told they were shutting up shop, so I bought up big. But the last time I check they were still in business, although the mechanic had left and they were only dealing in spare parts.

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    Hi Stuey,

    If I remember rightly there were postings on the subject early last year. A supplier in Brisbane had door skins and guards at reasonable prices. Sorry to be so vague about it but I lost the details when my computer crashed earlier in the year.

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    186s kick 202 arse. My father had a hotted up 186 in a FJ in the '70s. It beat almost everything it came across. That includes Chev V8s.
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