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    Rear-end accidents

    Hi all,

    I had my first accident today - some goose ran up my tail on my way home from work. I was just stopped at the lights and suddenly I got pushed into the car in front of me.

    Before you all panic, no, I wasn't in my car I was in the ute (but I nearly did take my car to work this morning).

    The guy didn't even brake - just hit me at whatever speed he was doing. I don't know what he was doing - talking on a mobile is a good guess.

    Not too much damage - the ute just got lifted up in the air at the back. The chassis didn't get bent - I've been along it with a straight-edge, but the towbar took the brunt of the force and is now mangled. His Magna was seriously damaged. The rear of my tray was almost through his windscreen, and the towbar and chassis rails of the ute pushed straight though his radiator.

    Pain in the ass but anyways. No front end damage other than a tiny scratch! Don't know how that happened.

    Are these kind of accidents common? How many of you have been hit up the rear like that? I can see if it had have been my car I wouldn't have been driving home like I did.

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    Never happened to me, but my neighbour got hit up the rear end in his VN Commodore S at a traffic light in Hobart. The day before it was going to the panelbeater for the insurance work, he rolled it mallet
    Another friend of mine was in his Sierra at the lights when he was hit by a brand new Camry. Bit of a bend in his bumper, but the towbar went right through the Camry's radiator.
    In Sydnet in the 70s my father was hit from behind twice, both tomes in a R10S, one was a VW Bettle, and the other a brand new Holden. Both were write offs, but the Renault only sustained minor damage each time, as both times it was hit at a slight angle on the corner.
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    Maybe he just wanted some sticker and didnt want to get out of the car due to rain?

    Was everyone ok? Glad the Pug is ok
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    Speaking of stickers he kind of damaged my 'Real Aussies Drive Utes" sticker

    Yeah, I'm alright. Had a sore neck for a while but I'm over it now. Head rests are good things. I'm glad the Pug is ok too. I only just polished it. You'll be impressed tekkie wink

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    Had a friend who got run into while he was parked in his mini worth a few hundred bucks. He got free massages and 5 grand out of it C/- his dad the lawyer. And a cool party trick - when he tilts his head from side to side it sounds as if he's cracking his knuckles. Gotta be good for you!

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    Derek, hope you'r A1, but do yourself a big favour and get atleast 2 doctors to check you out. Whiplash simptoms take awhile to take affect. look after mate cheers Xq
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    DeKa:
    Are these kind of accidents common? How many of you have been hit up the rear like that? I can see if it had have been my car I wouldn't have been driving home like I did. Derek
    Very common .... a friend was car two of three stationary cars that got clobbered by a 4th car (Festiva) - his Subaru Liberty RS Wagon got it front and rear - just on $9K damage (got the intercooler and other things). Because all three cars were stationary he didn't loose his excess - the Festiva was a twisted mess - the driver wasn't real good either - hate to see her insurance policy now !!!

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    Derek, hope you'r A1, but do yourself a big favour and get atleast 2 doctors to check you out. Whiplash simptoms take awhile to take affect. look after mate cheers Xq
    He's 100% right ... within 24hrs strengthens your case if you require treatment further down the track. (not that we wish that on you).

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    Yes, sorry, I didn't mean to sound morbid. I hope you're ok. It's better to be ok for life then have a few bucks now.

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    DeKa:
    Are these kind of accidents common? How many of you have been hit up the rear like that? I can see if it had have been my car I wouldn't have been driving home like I did.

    Derek
    Good to see you're okay and the Pug's unhurt.

    According to the <a href="http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/nrd-30/NCSA/Rpts/2003/809-541.pdf" target="_blank">NHTSA</a>, rear end collisions account for 29.7% of all crashes. So they're common, that's why whiplash is a very significant issue. However, amongst fatal crashes just over 3% are from rear end crashes.

    I remember we were once involved in an accident when someone rammed us from behind at a roundabout. Quite scary actually - the only car accident I've been involved in. I don't think it occurred at a high speed, because the young guy who hit us would've been under brakes and it was a 60 zone with a roundabout with some shops and pedestrians around, but you certainly felt it.

    When you watch the various safety videos, it's quite amazing watching things fly around in a car in slow motion. But when they tell you the speeds, it doesn't seem that fast.

    Watch <a href="http://www.theautochannel.com/media/wmv/volvo_kids_in_cars.asx" target="_blank">this video</a>

    Who'd think driving off a 14m tall cliff would be the same as being involved in a crash at 50km/h eek!

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    Derek, hope you'r A1, but do yourself a big favour and get atleast 2 doctors to check you out. Whiplash simptoms take awhile to take affect. look after mate cheers Xq
    Probably a good idea to make sure that head restraints are correctly adjusted in the car too. I've found a lot of people position them too low, so in a rear end accident, their neck will pivot on the headrest with horrid consequences. You should roughly align the centre of the head restraint roughly with your ears. Contrary to popular belief, they're not really there for you to rest your head.

    Whiplash is one of the major costs of non-fatal accidents and it's simple things like the above that can reduce its consequences dramatically.

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    Funny you say that Justin - I keep the headrests in my 306 nice and high, and yesterday afternoon as a loaded my stuff into the ute (it's a Falcon with the big space behind the seats) I raised the headrest up a few clicks when I had the seat tilted forward. Good for me hey

    The guy who hit me was just lucky I tend to give myself a big gap between the car in front at traffic lights. I only just hit the guy in front because I was a long way away. Could have been a much more expensive accident if I'd been closer.

    About stuff flying around... if that small accident demonstrated one thing it was don't leave anything loose in the back of the car. I don't know how things behind the seat got into the front of the cabin but they did!

    I'm off to work.

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    Derek hope you are ok man. Glad all your "other" cars are fine too. Honestly some people shouldnt have a car and licence.....It makes me sick.. 2_cents

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    If you have a look around the Auctions you soon see how many cars get totalled due to rearenders.
    Having done a stint as a driving instructor down the Gold Coast, I tend to drive with my eyes as much behind as in front & even so, I've had more than my share. That doesn't include the number I've got out of thr road of over the years.
    We hads my sons CX written off in one about a year or so ago & just prior to this I got out of the road of a clown in a Pajero who ended up with this front bumper (bull bar) past mine when I was stopped; in that case saw him coming & swung hard left.
    Just before I left the Gold Coast, some young bird went into me at the Tallebudgera Creek traffic lights. She was late for wok & was putting her make up on while driving. Two days later, I copped one at Broadbeach when a drunk driver in a Kingswood saw a gap in the traffic & just took off; the fact I was stopped in front seemed immaterial. His abusive attitude changed when I offered to finish the conversation down at the Broadbeach cop shop.. eek! deal and three days later whilst parked outside a pub in the main street of Coolangatta, a truck delivering kegs ran in behind a bit quick, clipped the kerb, his foot slipped off the brake & wham!! straight into my van. cry
    By that stage, I was almost ready to start driving permanently in reverse so I could see 'em coming at me. Funny part was that I was driving a Mazda van which had a tow bar with a bumper built into it & had suffered no body damage until the truck. Biggest impact was the "make up lady" who lifted her foot off the throttle about a metre before she nailed me. I was watching her coming at me so I had the foot just hovering over the brake & copped it with no brakes on but caught it before I wore the new Calais in front. Her little 120Y ended up with the headlights almost on the firewall.
    Loved her parting words as she drove off in the recovery truck though..."you'll be hearing from me" to which I replied..."Why, do you want a night out??" I got the impression that in her twisted little mind, she though I was somehow in the wrong mallet
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    Here's a typical example. Presently at Pickles Auction.

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    That's one of those illustrious Berlingo RVX's. I keep seeing one parked around uni at Kensington.

    I'll head up to the towbar place soon to get a quote on a new one.

    This is the second of our utes to be hit in a rear-ender. The last time, one of my friends was driving it (he works here too) and he was rocket launched across Woodville Rd (6 lanes wide) while sitting at the red lights. He was hit by a drunk in a local council's V6 Camry. How he didn't get collected by a car/truck going along Woodville Rd I do not know.

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    Yeah, it's one of the most common accidents Derek. Glad to hear you're OK.

    I once had a P plater throw her car into reverse and reverse into me at a set of lights. That was a doozy proving to the insurance company. As if you hit someone from behind it almost always the fault of the guy behind.
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    Derek - thats a real bummer dude. I finally went and saw a chiropractor after being in this one a few weeks ago. I'd suggest a check up at least.

    <img src="http://www.pbase.com/image/18511513/medium.jpg" alt=" - " />

    Just out of interest, did your ute have a third brake light installed? Why they are not compulsory for commercial vehicles has me stumped.....as well as manufacturers that don't have a seperate bulb for brake application. I'm not blind or anything but jeez it makes a difference.

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    Two come to mind, the latest a car backed into me whilst pumping fuel at a servo, young asian lass refused to exchange name & address, she asked how much, she had broken a driving light with her tow bar, i told her they cost $120 a pair, so she says i give you $60. I say hahaha yeah right they only come as a pair & i yell to the attendant to call the police, young lady very quickly produces $120 & disappeared in a hurry. My next stop was nearest police station & reported the event & gave rego details, the officer wasn't surprised as i was the 4th to report this car, the plates were off a car totalled 3 years earlier.

    The earlier one happened around 1971 when i was 19, i was driving for a living, delivering doors, normal drive was a Merc 2Tonne Diesel tray truck, shit of a thing, anyway the boss had lent it to a mate so deliveries had to be done with the ute, a greatly abused never serviced HG Holden. This particular day, it was loaded when i arrived. I wasn't real thrilled to see solid carved front doors stacked to 500mm above the roof must have been 35 or more on top of which the length of them extended past the lowered tailgate. Blind freddie could see the balance was wrong, but my boss wouldn't have it. Now for the Melbournites picture Huntingdale Rd going north tween Ashwood Railway station & High St, down hill run, pouring rain, as i crest the hill i see a parked vehicle in left lane, about the same time as the cortina on my left does, does he back off NOWAY makes a run for it cuts me off, attempting to avoid him i lock up the front brakes. About this time i start an ever so slow motion change of lanes to the left just in time to plow up the arsend of a 3 month old Buick Hearse, both vehicles totalled, and all the doors above the roof shifted like a deck of cards breaking the ropes & flying everywhere. I've never been one to lie, so when the Constable asked what speed i was doing, i said don't know the speedo hasn't worked for weeks & my boss wont fix it.
    Shouldn't have said that, my boss got charged & he was refused the claim, as he wasn't insured for under 25 & he knew it was unroadworthy. Needless to say i was given notice a few weeks later.
    I sometimes cop flack for the amount of time i spend tying things down on trailors or roof racks, or just getting the correct weight distribution . That accident 32 yrs ago taught me a major lesson, ten of those doors could easily have gone through the rear window & taken my head off.

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    I've been hit from behind 3 times =(

    My first car, 90 model mitsu lancer
    On the humehwy near lansvale heading towards the city, wet roads, red light. I stopped, wasn't a sudden stop, look in my rear view mirror and see some lights heading my way real fast.. i knew he was going to hit me...kaboom! we pull into the shell station, i can smell alcohol on the man. he had his wife and kid in the car... the idiot!! drink driving with your family...

    Same car again, stopped at a roundabout... was hit from behind again, dry roads this time. I dind't hear any skidding.. the girl was on her mobile!! and whats worse she tried to drive off! as i turned left into a quiet street, she headed straight!! chased her down eventually (5 min chase!). She said she will pay for all repairs because she dind't have insurance. A couple of months later, i got some quotes (4 diff ones!!) and the bf turned around and said he's not paying. I got the last laugh though, gave the drivers details to NRMA, went to the most expensive panel beater i could find and NRMA paid me.. they were going to chase the girl for the money

    My 2nd car, Pug306, no problems for 2 years!!

    3rd car, Integra 90 model, first 2 months of ownership, hit from behind again. This time 3 cars were involved, i was at the front. Sideswiped too(seperate accident).... got rid of that car quick smart...not back in a pug 205

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    Just got a quote on an exact replacement of the same towbar & hitch from the same place it was fitted at 12 months ago by the dealer.

    $580 + $40 mobile installation fee.

    Brenno, Falcon utes don't have a third/centre brake light. The AUII and AUIII utes have much improved brake light lenses which are incredibly bright compared to the older (and larger) lenses used on the AUI utes. The traffic had been stopped for a while so the guy wasn't paying attention.

    It'll all be sorted in the next week or so I'd imagine

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    Get the to a couple of Docs as suggested above and also to a good Chiropractor (I suggest Steven Crome in George St City).

    I had a prang 18 years ago (not my fault) and had whiplash injury etc. It is only now that I am starting to get numbness in two fingers in my left hand and some days it gets damned annoying.

    I had some physio treatment at the time, but it was not until I went back to my Chiro at the time that I had really rapid improvement. Perhaps earlier Chiro may have lessened the effects I feel now.

    Glad the Pug is OK.

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    I have to say, i was pretty impressed with the job the guy did to Deka's bumper! It was a solid piece of metal that took a good hour to get off the Ute, and he did a nice job bending it!

    Probably lucky for the guy it was on there because if it hadnt the tray would have gone right through his windshield and gotten him around the neck nicely!

    My girlfriend had an accident last year, she was heading into the airport tunnel when the car in front seemed to stop, when she hit the brakes they locked (rainy night) and she slide right into the back of him, luckily he didnt have his foot on the brakes, so the damamge wasn't toooo bad. Seems his car died and he just let it roll (not turning on his hazard lights either) down the hill and when she saw he had stopped and applied her breaks the road was greasy, breaks locked and in she went.

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    I was rear-ended 3 months after I got my licence. I had been stopped waiting for someone to reverse park for a good 10 seconds when I heard the screech of brakes. He must have been on the brakes pretty hard, as he went in under the bumper bar of my car (Mitsu Colt hatchback). I'm pretty sure he was on his mobile at the time. I could drive my car away, but his radiator and lights were history.

    Turned out the car was his Dad's, and when I rang him the first sentence was "Had another accident has he?" eek! No troubles with insurance or anything (well, not my insurance anyway), however, I did suffer whiplash (which didn't show up for a couple of days and has troubled me ever since). Interestingly, my mother was in the passenger's seat and didn't get injured at all - possibly because I tensed when I heard the screech of brakes, and she relaxed!

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    i got rear ended in a 604 once on the way to a U2 concert in sydney
    the guy was in a commodore and plowed straight into the rear of the 604 i had at the time
    it had a 3rd brake light and a tow bar and he cracked my tail light and bent my bumper
    his car was bleeding coolant all over the road and had pushed the radiator into the engine and broke parts of the engine off
    bent his bonnet, bumper and passenger side guard
    his car was one big mess
    he looked at mine and swore that he was going to go and buy a pug after seeing the results
    luckily i was about 1/2 a car length from the car in front and when he hit i actually took my foot off the brake and rolled a tad but stopped before hitting the car in front
    i could see him coming and told my 4 passengers to hang on
    two weeks later i got rear ended at work by a mazda when she was looking the other way and then i got rear ended by a gemini wagon all with in the space of 5 weeks
    the panel beater was getting a little sick of seeing me
    just as i had it booked in to get the car tidied up i had a bloke in a sigma side swipe me and take the rear guard out for me
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