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    Flag Day and Berocca

    I forgot to thank you all for the Berocca info and mention that I received my Berocca from Australia on Friday.

    An unexpected gift in the packaging was an Australian newspaper( Mal Washer's Moore Report:A Progress Report from your Federal Member of Parliament, Aug 2003) used to secure the Berocca inside the box.

    The newspaper mentions that Sept 3 was flag day in Australia and that flags would be supplied free of charge to certain organizations.

    Do you ever fly the Australian flag at your house?

    Whenever we have foreign guests they always ask me why so many American homes fly the American flag even on non-holidays. Its quite clear to the guests that they're in America and flying the flag seems redundant. I tell our guests I don't know why people like flying the flag but we never do, even on federal holidays our house is flag-free.

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    My parents basically feel that flying the flag is a Republican(ie conservative) thing and we are Democrats. I can honestly say, all of the homes in this neighborhood that fly the flag are Republican homes. Is it the same in Australia, are most Australians who fly the Australian flag "conservatives"?

    <small>[ 08 September 2003, 12:32 AM: Message edited by: Jamesnj ]</small>

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    To be honest, I don't know anyone that flies the flag at home.

    Often when I'm on a US forum, it always surprises me at how often you have pictures of cars in driveways and various US flags paraded around. If you did that here, I'd suspect you'd be seen as weird - we're not as overtly patriotic (would be great seeing stats on what percentage of the population can sing the national anthem, and then what percentage of the population know the second verse ). Everytime a sporting event comes around, it always amazes me at how many still don't know the national anthem <img src="http://www.vpmag.com/yssy/images/smiles/icon_redface.gif" alt=" - " /> <img src="http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung/aktion/action-smiley-061.gif" alt=" - " />

    Naturally it's normal to see flags at universities, schools, government buildings, etc.

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    I have seen a few flags flying outside people's houses - the owners seem to be mostly over 50 and are the types that have bits of junk and dodgy old poo-brown Holdens (with their own small Aussie flags) decorating their front yards...
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    I usually see them as bit weird.

    Unfortunately though, I am sad enough to have learnt the second verse of the national anthem... eek! eek! mallet

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    I hardly ever see any australian flags outside homes anywhere.
    I think most people in sydney would be too stuck up to fly these outside their homes.
    Again like already said its normally old people over 45 that do this..

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    Its very much a conservative thing over here too, James, with the regular Australian flag at least . Mostly elderly people (I'd say over 60's or even 70's rather than over 50's wink ) Often royalists who hanker for the old days when Australians still thought of Britain as the "home country".

    The other group tend to be vets from WWII and , to a lesser extent, the Korean war who do it as a simple statement acknowledging mates who died alongside them.

    Many Australians, myself included, don't think much of having a flag that still embraces the union jack. We'd ,much prefer to have something distinctively Australian, just as the Canadians did when they adopted the maple leaf in 1965. Most of us, though, don't see the fight needed to get it changed as important enough to spend energy on. Arguments about flags and the like over here always seem to provoke a ground swell of jingoism and other pseudo patriotic nonsense that does more harm than good.

    Some people, of course, fly the <a href="http://www.ausflag.com.au/flags/ab.html" target="_blank">Aboriginal Flag</a> instead.

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    I suspect, by the way , that most Australians wouldn't know that we had a flag day.

    I remember hearing about it vaguely a while back, but I certainly didn't know it was last week!

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    <small>[ 08 September 2003, 11:38 AM: Message edited by: Rod Hagen ]</small>
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    Rod Hagen:
    I suspect, by the way , that most Australians wouldn't know that we had a flag day.
    You can put me down for that, these days there are days for everything though. I've heard the UK is having "Bread Month" in response to the "Carbohydrates are evil" Atkins diet.

    But, I do know the second verse of the national anthem

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    Yes, the second verse, eh:

    "For those who've come across the seas
    We've boundless plains to share,"

    Interesting how things change. Back in the "old days" nobody cared what the Indigenous people who were "already here", and had owned the "boundless plains" since time immemorial , thought about such things, so lines like this passed without notice.

    Now, of course, we are doing our damndest to make sure that they don't get shared with anyone, least of all refugees with a real need. Ah the flexible joys of western morality!

    I think we need a re-write!

    How about:

    "For those who've come across the seas
    We've gunboats waiting there"

    The current version is just about as hypocritical as the inscription on the Statue of Liberty (I love the irony that it was gift to the US from the French. I'm still waiting to see if they will be honest enough to send it back!):

    "Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me.
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

    Still, at least I guess we should be thankful that school kids in Australia no longer have to sing, as I did:

    "O lord God arise,
    Scatter our enemies,
    And make them fall!
    Confound their knavish tricks,
    Confuse their politics,
    On you our hopes we fix,
    God save the Queen! "

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    i always toook it that mostly JP's flew a flag outside their homes
    well that's what i have always been led to believe
    i'm not too worried either way about the flag bieng changed
    i don't mind what we have now
    it is after all part of our heritage
    i did hear that the dubbo council occasionally fly the aboriginal flag but then that poses the question of how much more do we have to do to show them that we are sorry for the past and we are doing what we can to mend the bridges and yet "they" still run riot in breaking into houses, stealing cars and causing fights all over dubbo
    i can only speak for dubbo in depth as that is where i got to meet, see and got to know many of them
    out of the countless i met there was only one that i would have any time for
    he was a neighbour of ours and was a good bloke even though he still drank just about every day he kept quiet and to himself
    he would come over every now and then to see how we were and he would look after out house when ever we went away for a period of time
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