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    Alfa Club at Sandown Tomorrow(pug club?)

    Is it a pug club day as well? I'll be there cos my friend is going to blow up his Alfa 105 Turbo; but not driving as I havent a suitable car. Is the Peugeot club involved as well?
    Even if not, come along and have a speccy. This is a great track to drive on. Come and watch the mechanical catastrophes.

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    I might come for a look, i'm less than 3 km away & will hear the action anyway.
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    Is that the place off springvale road? What time?
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    I'll be taking part in my Clio, the only Renault in the field of 80 cars. Most of the cars will be Alfas (since the Alfa club is organising it), but there will also be a large range of other cars, including Ferraris (308s), Porsches (944s and 911s), a Lotus Elise, a Mini Cooper S, and a variety of WRXs, 200SXs, MX5s, MR2s, Skylines, RX7s, CRXs, and many more. There will also be specialised track cars like Formula Fords and PRB Clubmans.

    The track day is open to any CAMS affiliated clubs, including PCCV (I am an affiliate member). The only Pugs taking part are a 205 GTi and a 405 Mi16.

    Although I am expecting to be one of the slowest cars on the track, my aim is really just to have a good time rather than be extremely competitive. My other aim is not to hurt my car or myself!

    People taking part need to be there by 8:00am (!) for scrutineering. The first of the three practice sessions begins at 9:45am and the first of the four sprint sessions starts at 11:25am. The last sprint session finishes at around 4:30pm.

    The Sandown track is accessed from Springvale Rd. If travelling south, turn left into Sandown Rd (easy to remember!) just after the railway line before getting to the main town centre of Springvale. The Melway ref is 80 C11, and entry is via gate 15.

    Note that there is no catering or fuel on site.

    Hope to see some of you there! If you see me in my black Clio, come and say hi!

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    Actually Sandown Rd is on the North side of the railway, if travelling south. lightwood rd is on the south side, If coming from Princes Hwy turn left just before & along side the railway & follow it for a kilometre or so till you arrive at the track gates turn left when in the grounds & drive until you see the open gates usually at the end of the pit area, on these days everyone has access to the pits & scrutineering areas. There is grand stand seating as well as standing area above the pit garages, these club days are a real eye opener & great fun.
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    Just a note for anyone hoping for a run on the day, these events although open to any CAMS affiliated club, there is normaly no entry on the day and most likely would have closed on friday, to allow the organisers to put cars in the appropriate groups & classes.
    And the 80 car field is normally the largest to allow the specified number of prac session & sprint runs
    Still there'd be no harm in asking, however a refusal is likely cry

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    Damien Gardner:
    Actually Sandown Rd is on the North side of the railway, if travelling south. lightwood rd is on the south side.
    Ooops, you are right ... I never was very good at directions!

    You are also correct about the unlikelyhood of people being able to enter on the day. Entries actually closed on 23 April.

    For anyone considering taking part in this type of event in the future, there are a few things you need in order to participate, like

    - a CAMS Level 2S license (available on the day for around $91 for 12 mth),
    - a fire extinguisher bolted into your car and easily accessible from the drivers seat,
    - a blue triangle indicating the position of the battery (available on the day),
    - a secondary bonnet restraint mechanism for cars older than 1/1/1973,
    - a helmet complying with AS1698,
    - metal valve caps on each tyre.

    I would also recommend a set of higher performance brake pads to reduce the onset of brake fade after a few laps.

    I will let you know how the day goes tomorrow.

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    Warwick2:
    Come and watch the mechanical catastrophes.
    Should be plenty of them if its an Alfa day!

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    I'm going there at 11:30! I'll have a pug 205gti with white wheels. But if I'm not by my car then I don't really know how you'll recognise me! I'll be there with a friend and we're both 19. hehehe that's about all I can think of. Come and say hi if you think it's me!
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    A lot of the Alfa club sprints are listed in the PCCV magazine, Torque and a loyal bunch head down to most of them.

    Enjoy yourselves!

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    I slapped AF Stickers on 5 Pugs & a Clio only got to meet 1 driver though.
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    Yeah I got slapped! Pug 205 gti with white wheels.

    Sorry dave I saw your car but I didn't see it racing. I forgot you were taking that thing. You might remember me taking a photo of your car! I'll try to put them up on the net when I get them developed. Did anyone see the Lancia HF integrale? AWESOME!!!! I spoke with leon about his 205gti for a bit and then with the driver of the Fiat X1/9. Some nice cars were there. I ended up taking a few nice photos. This was the first race day I'd ever been to and even though it wasn't a pug day or AF day it was still worthwhile. I didn't end up speaking to Warrick or anyone here though and that was a bit dissapointing.

    P.S. The pug 205 gti was an '89 model. That's encouraging for me. (I have an '90 model) I might also add that this guy had some weird woolen seats that he said were standard and they were still in perfect condition.
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    Are the woolen seats similar to those in a 505 GR\SR? I guess its an 80s thing.
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    Had a great day at Sandown today. The weather couldn't have been better, everyone was really friendly and supportive, and the variety of cars was amazing. Cars ranged from unmodified road cars to stripped-out race spec cars running slicks and roll-cages.

    The fastest car on the day would have to have been the hugely powerful Ford Mustang, complete with massive Brembo brakes and an unbelievable exhaust note. The power actually caused the car to lift its inside front wheel clean off the ground as it exited the tighter turns.

    Almost as fast was a highly modified and beautifully presented all-black WRX, and it was great seeing the thing get sideways flying out of some of the turns. Unfortunately something must have gone wrong with the engine, as there was a huge cloud of smoke coming out of it at the end of its last run. Ouch, expensive.

    The biggest 'off' of the day would have been the R33 Skyline GT-R, during the practice session! The driver lost control coming onto the front straight and slammed it sideways into a barrier. The whole right-hand side of the immaculate car was badly damaged and the car could no longer compete. It was very very fast while it was running though! Ouch, expensive.

    Out of the 3 froggy cars, Brian's 405 Mi16 was the fastest with lap times in the low 1:39's. He did have the benefit of soft-compound 'R' spec tyres though! Next was me in the Clio, with lap times in the low 1:41's, then Leon in his stripped-out 205 GTi with lap times in the 1:42's.

    A great time was had by all and I'm already looking forward to the next event.

    Damien and 2-oh: sorry I missed you, I think I was doing flag marshelling when you came around. You probably saw my parents though, they were sitting in my car! They came down for some additional support since Sandown is quite close by.

    BTW, thanks for the AussieFrogs sticker Damien. It now sits proudly on my race helmet!

    I've posted a few pics at the link below. Unfortunately none of my action shots came out, so these are all pit-lane shots of our froggys and a few other cars.

    <a href="http://au.photos.yahoo.com/bc/dtay2/lst?.dir=/Sandown+4+May+2003" target="_blank">http://au.photos.yahoo.com/bc/dtay2/lst?.dir=/Sandown+4+May+2003</a>

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    Dave172:
    I've posted a few pics ...
    Actually, this link might work better...

    <a href="http://au.photos.yahoo.com/dtay2" target="_blank">http://au.photos.yahoo.com/dtay2</a>

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    Take the sticker of the helmet immediately. If it's seen by a scrutineer the helmet will be condemed & they will mark it never to be used in sport again. Something to do with the adhesive of stickers interfering with the helmet materials. 2 yrs ago i was forced to retire a $300 6 mths old helmet & i'd purchased the stickers fron a m/cycle shop at time of helmet purchase. Apparerntly the only adornments allowed are those put on by the manufacturer.

    Glad you had a great day, last time i ran the R10 there i broke the eye of the tie rod at the end of the main straight we're talking 6k rpm 3rd gear scarey stuff ended up way off in the dirt with just hurt pride & an even more modified car with just a tad to much toeout roll_lau
    Have you tried a hillclimb yet they're real fun as well
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    Dave, glad you had a good day. I forgot who the froggers were, and whenever I looked you guys were not next to your cars. Aussie frog tatts across the top lip wiould be a better idea than stickers on the car.
    The GTR incident was the best. I'm sorry for the guy , however the version I got from the organisers was that he had never been on the track before(or Sandown at least), did not ask for an instructor, and went flat out in the familiarisation session with his girlfriend next to him in a car that by all accounts had 400 or 500 bhp. If you think as a beginner you know everything on a track you've got something coming. At least he hopefully leaned a lesson.
    The WRX blowup was amazing. The thing was highly modified and went kaboom. Before that it almost kept up with the mustang. It was either a turbo, or worse. Poor guy was very jovial and philosophical. I was trying to help my friend with his 105 turbo get the thing to run properly. Only after I went and stopped rubbing my chin (which I called help) did the car run properly. He cracked a 1:32 , he said.
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    Two-oh, there were series two seats in the 205. WHat had Leon done to his car. He had all these farout switches instead of a console. It was lower with big wheels, but was the engine modified otherwise?
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    If I remember correctly, Leon told me someone stole some audio out of the car and buggered the centre console in the process, so he just made his own one up.

    I guess it was an easy way to lose a little weight too

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    Sorry I took so bloody long to reply. I got the photos back from the day. Some good some bad. Have a look:

    <a href="http://au.photos.yahoo.com/bc/two_oh_philic/lst?.dir=/Alfa+Club+Track+Day+at+Sandown&.src=ph&.view=t" target="_blank">Yahoo Photos Site</a> (EDIT)

    I took a few of non-froggy cars as you'll see. I didn't get to talk to the owner of the lancia, unfortunately. I think I can see your car in the background of one of them though, Warrick.
    Very sorry to you Dave for screwing up the shot of your clio. That's pretty terrible. cry
    I spoke to the owner of the X1/9 I think his name was Dean or something. I really like those cars. They would be so sporty if they had just a bit more power. For those of you who aren't familiar with it this is one of Bertone's great early designs. The car has a mid (not rear) engine, RWD, and independant rear end. only two seats. The fin thing is not for cornering :p its an air intake, like formula one above the drivers head. Even though the car has side intakes and the air is actually being dumped where it should be coming out, the guy said that because it dumped cold, fast air straight onto the twin webbers (i think), it made great improvements, even though it would have been reversing the flow. I wonder if instead of the fin thing you could set up a fan in a tube to suck the air straight onto the carbies and make the air go in the right direction.

    Now Warrick, as for Leon's 205. It is an '89, still had the wierd fake mid engine grill thing on the back from the early models so i presume it is a S1 as opposed to a series 2 or 3 (or 4 maybe too). It had done 260,000kms, most of which were country miles he said. never reco'd, never modified. I think it had only had 2 owners b4 him. His seats were woolen and in absolutely perfect condition. The 87-89 gti's i have seen all had slightly tarnished seats and were cloth. He said a few came out with these seats.

    The things he had modified to his car were, from the back (excluding wheels 16" i think), a gold twin tip or maybe muffler i'm not sure what you call it but two brassish maybe 3.5 inch tubes which were angled upwards, this was not to my liking much but obviously to his. Then the cat had been replaced with some fairly generic bigger high-flo one which i think he said may have really been for a commodore. Then the intake. he had removed the little black pod air filter and a few of the other accessories too it seemed. He then had made up a square one on the passenger side and had put a sports air filter in it and ran a big inlet pip straight down to the bottom of the engine bay. He said this gave quite good results since the standard inlet drew it's air from just behind the radiator which is quite a great deall warmer. Then of course the strut brace which you can see. He said that the best "bang for your bucks" was the inlet and the cat.

    He had also put externally adjustable koni's up front with Eibach springs. I was very impressed to see just how adjustable they were . His rears had Koni adjustables too but not the ext. ones. He had put rear disc on too. He said he got a whole unit from the 306 XT(i think) and said that this was not entirely necessary that with sportier ( if you can say that) drums it was ok. That's all I can remember. It was very encouraging to see a 205 with the 75kW engine racing and doing ok.

    Sorry about the essay post.

    Marc

    P.S the X19 driver said he had another one that he was going to put a 2 litre into and i think he may have said turbocharge.

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    Oh yeah the centre console. Yeah as said some stole the head unit out of the car and broke the plastic dash doing it so he replaced it. The four switches just replaced the ones behind them. Looks like they would have been proper race ones. Fuel Pum, Ignition, etc,. but much less interesting in reality.
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    two-oh-philic:
    P.S the X19 driver said he had another one that he was going to put a 2 litre into and i think he may have said turbocharge.
    I looked at and drove one with a 2L Lancia motor, turbo, intercooler and Motec while I was looking for a track car. Animal. Didn't stop or steer how I expected though. Bought a supercharged Toyota Sprinter instead.

    Good to see the Mi16 keeping the other froggies honest. wink

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    Yeah I've heard the breaks on them are really crap coz they aren't power assisted or servo or whatever, I'm surprised that it didn't handle though, maybe the 2L conversion screws up the weight i know that stock it has like 43%/57% front/back i can't imagine wanting much more than that.
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    Today I had my first go on a track with my 205GTi at Sandown. It's a standard 1987 model and I managed a 1:45.21 lap time.

    While I only hit 150-160km/h (indicated), a lot of this speed could be carried through the corners. It wasn't super quick but the enjoyment factor was very high.

    No other French cars were out there today, probably because it was an MG day...

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    So if leon was pulling 1:42's and u pulled 1:45's which of the changes to leons car gave him the three seconds?
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