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    Radiator

    my 91 405 mi16's radiator seems to be leaking around the cap, should i replace the cap and see what happens, if so, were can i get a replacment cap, we dont have any eurocar shops here..

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    welcome to AussieFrogs Nathan.

    Technical problems specific to your Peugeot should normally be posted in the Peugeot forum.

    now back to your fault. Normally the Radiator caps are rated to a specific pressure. You need to replace the cap with another unit which has the same pressure rating. Brand name is not important as long as they fit properly.
    I am sure one of the other froggy member will advise of the correct item.

    If you are really stuck for advice call Paul Vasallo in Sydney. He is the mechanic a lot of people here (me included ) use for servicing their pugs.

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    Nathan,

    I would assume that the pressure of the radiator cap is the same on a Pug Mi16 as on my BX 16V.
    If so, then I think the cap pressure is 1 bar or 14.5psi, however, this can be checked by looking at the radiator cap which should have the pressure stamped on it.
    It should also be in your cars handbook and usually, spare parts suppliers normally have a chart that shows the recommended pressure.
    Citroens have been 14.5psi/ 1 bar for many years; it's one of the things that has stayed constant and as Pugs come out of the same tap, I'd be surprised if they were different.

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    Actually, Pugs were usually 7psi in the past... Don't know about the current stuff... and the other thing to look for is the length of the spring section that pushes the seal onto the orifice within the radiator's cap section.

    Some are deeper than others here, don't get caught with the wrong one or it will either not seal at all or you'll have way too much pressure.

    Just take your old cap into a spare parts place, they'll know what to look for.

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    well i took it to natrad today, and the bad news is it seemst o be comeing from a seal crimped on the top section of the rhs tank, of course these blokes had never seen anything remotely like it, and are checking around to see if they can uncrimp it, put a new seal in and recrimp it closed..
    otherwise they estimate around 800 for a new radiator.. its not leaking too badly accualy..

    oh well, anyone got any idea's?

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    spamboy:
    well i took it to natrad today, and the bad news is it seemst o be comeing from a seal crimped on the top section of the rhs tank, of course these blokes had never seen anything remotely like it, and are checking around to see if they can uncrimp it, put a new seal in and recrimp it closed..
    otherwise they estimate around 800 for a new radiator.. its not leaking too badly accualy..

    oh well, anyone got any idea's?
    i'm just about to reply to Pug_405_Mi16 about the rad i have here for sale
    is your car a series 1 ???
    3 x '78 604 SL

    1 x '98 306 GTi6

    1 x secret project

    1 x '98 406 STDT troop carrier and i don't care if it stinks, i don't sniff it's arse Death by wank tank

    1 x '99 406SV 5spd wagon, time to burn more fuel

    1 x 1994 605 SV3.0


    WTD long range fuel tank for 605

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    yes it is, how much, and hwere is it?

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    Sell it if you can PugRambo....I cant afford it for a few weeks...and I dont NEED it would just like a spare

    No biggy though!

    Cheers

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    A deal made in dusty heaven...

    The seller in Parkes, the buyer in Griffith (is that busted TI still there?)...

    Meet at Wyalong and exchange cash for the radiator... better than shipping it to Tasmania!

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    spamboy:
    yes it is, how much, and hwere is it?
    my number is 0427 756 851
    phone is on 24/7
    as ben said he's not in need of it right at this moment so i spose it's in your hands
    like i said it's brand new untouched by human hands
    i've taken it out of the box a couple of times
    3 x '78 604 SL

    1 x '98 306 GTi6

    1 x secret project

    1 x '98 406 STDT troop carrier and i don't care if it stinks, i don't sniff it's arse Death by wank tank

    1 x '99 406SV 5spd wagon, time to burn more fuel

    1 x 1994 605 SV3.0


    WTD long range fuel tank for 605

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    but how much are you looking for?

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    you have a private message
    3 x '78 604 SL

    1 x '98 306 GTi6

    1 x secret project

    1 x '98 406 STDT troop carrier and i don't care if it stinks, i don't sniff it's arse Death by wank tank

    1 x '99 406SV 5spd wagon, time to burn more fuel

    1 x 1994 605 SV3.0


    WTD long range fuel tank for 605

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    been a little bussie sorry guys to get back to ya's all - it's leaking from a seal that attaches the top radiator cappy bit to the rest. they wouldn't break the crimp and put a new seal and radiator sealant didn't fix it, so i used some thermal epoxy puty that stuff thats ment to be good as steel, ill let ya knows how it goes, have to put new belts on the thing now as it leaked all over em and its basicly slipping so much ive got no power steering :-(

    cheers guys, thanks for all who helped me out..
    if this dont work i m ay have to buy that radiator tho :-( thats if i can find the money
    tempted to trade the whole car in on a new hyundai getz or something i recon

    cheers
    Nathan

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    let me know how you go with your "fix"
    if you go <a href="http://www.nissens.com/" target="_blank">here</a> and sign up (free) you can check out the radiator section and look up peugeot 405 and you will find the 1300N5 radiator and what it fits

    Model Fuel Transmission AC Year OE Nissens
    GL/GLI/GR/SR Petrol Automatic + 1988/7 > 1992/6 1300.N5 63614
    GLD/GRD/SRD Diesel +/- 1988/7 > 1991/11 1300.N5 63614
    GR/GRI/SR/SR Petrol Automatic + 1988/7 > 1992/6 1300.N5 63614
    MI 16 Petrol +/- 1988/7 > 1992/6 1300.N5 63614
    TURBO D Diesel Manual +/- 1988/7 > 1991/4 1300.N5 63614

    <small>[ 09 July 2003, 04:11 PM: Message edited by: pugrambo ]</small>
    3 x '78 604 SL

    1 x '98 306 GTi6

    1 x secret project

    1 x '98 406 STDT troop carrier and i don't care if it stinks, i don't sniff it's arse Death by wank tank

    1 x '99 406SV 5spd wagon, time to burn more fuel

    1 x 1994 605 SV3.0


    WTD long range fuel tank for 605

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    Nathan, any reason why you couldn't simply get the l.eak soldered up?

    I used to quite regularly pull tanks off vertical flow radiators on old peugeots and Citroens and simply solder them back on with a gas fine point blow torch and some heavy duty internal flux solder. I know modern radiators are a bit different (is this one aluminium or copper) , but this sounds like a small leak that should be amenable to this sort of treatment or something similar.

    Cheers

    Rod

    (PS - I once had a radiator on a 403 that I patched up with chewing gum. Lasted for years. For some reason PK workled much better than Juicy Fruit. Doubt that it would handle the pressure of a modern system though)

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    Nathan,

    You might like to note that (at least on the series 2 cars) there is no overflow line or overflow bottle as is typical in Australia cars. An expansion reservoir is built in to the radiator itself.

    When the fluid expands as it is heated, the only point for it to escape is from under the radiator cap, and as such may appear that it is leaking. It is important not to fill the fluid level above the mark on the outside of the radiator, about 2 inches down from the cap. Doing so would result in the fluid spewing from under the cap when hot.

    You might like to check this yourself and make sure it is leaking as the radiator people said.

    Simon

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    Rod Hagen:

    (PS - I once had a radiator on a 403 that I patched up with chewing gum. Lasted for years. For some reason PK workled much better than Juicy Fruit. Doubt that it would handle the pressure of a modern system though)
    That's because:

    "Chewing PK gum really gets you going" la la la la
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    A loose radiator cap soon fixes the pressure problem...

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    Thanks UFO. Hadn't thought of that.

    Cheers

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    I think most of these later radiators have a plastic header tank if I'm not mistaken.
    I was at a radiator place a little while ago & he had heaps of plastic headers. They are more the rule than the exception these days. He didn't seem to think it was such a big deal working around them though.
    My 76 CX 2200 had the original radiator in it when I bought it & it had a plastic guts in it, so they've been around for a while.

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    Rod Hagen:
    Nathan, any reason why you couldn't simply get the l.eak soldered up?
    Because it's an aluminium core with a plastic tank...

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    Ray Bell:
    Rod Hagen:
    Nathan, any reason why you couldn't simply get the l.eak soldered up?
    Because it's an aluminium core with a plastic tank...
    aluminium or copper ?
    i have heard quite a few people mention that these tanks are made of copper with plastic tanks

    the table i pasted above from nissens shows what madel 405's the radiator i have here fits anyway for anyone who wants to know what is in what
    3 x '78 604 SL

    1 x '98 306 GTi6

    1 x secret project

    1 x '98 406 STDT troop carrier and i don't care if it stinks, i don't sniff it's arse Death by wank tank

    1 x '99 406SV 5spd wagon, time to burn more fuel

    1 x 1994 605 SV3.0


    WTD long range fuel tank for 605

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    Dont trade that car in on a hyundai getz PPLLEEAASSEE!!!!!
    Fix it it will be better for you peugeot_ dance

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